IF you had to take the vaccine, which one should you take?

[Troutrunner]

And how many of those deaths were actually due to covid, as opposed to the 2-6 comorbidities most of those senior citizens have who are dying "with covid." And how many of those who actually died of covid were in fact flu cases misdiagnosed as covid? Anyone who believes the flue was down 98% must have been born yesterday. And of those people who really, actually died of the real covid, how many of those were murdered for profit with ventilators and Remdesivir?

Sorry, but the overwhelming evidence is that covid poses less threat to everyone than the seasonal flu. We will never know what the actual numbers are, and that's obviously by design, but needless to say the data is extremely heavily weighted in favor of the grimmest possible outcome.

BUT, let's just play devil's advocate and say your numbers are right. And let's say that the vaccine does in fact give older folks some degree of protection. I say again, for how long? It's now an established fact that what little protection it gives is gone within three months, and then the booster is gone in a month, and we have no data for how long the second booster lasts because that's being rolled out in Israel as we speak. And we have no idea if a third booster will impart any immunity whatsoever, and for how long.

And we have no idea what the long term effects of the vaccines are. The injury rate might skyrocket at six months for all we know. What if young people getting it today don't make it past 40 because their hearts give out? There are things about this vaccine we won't know for years, but what's transpired thus far already is far less than encouraging.

Those are the facts. The vaccine might be able to promise a little protection for a disease that's hardly a threat, but for a very limited time, and at the price of having no idea what the actual risk is long term. Who in their right mind would take an experimental vaccine that's proven 100% to stop working in less than a year, even with boosters, for a virus that's probably damn near 100% survivable?

And what about countries like Israel that vaxxed and then triple vaxxed everyone and still have more covid than countries that didn't??? How can you possibly still argue for the efficacy of the vaccines after that? This isn't six months ago when we had no idea. The cat's out of the bag now, and they simply do not work, and even if they did, they don't work long enough to even be considered an option.

How many deaths were due to covid - MOST but contributed to by their other issues.
Minimal flu cases last year. We had a quad test and the flu just didn't pop.
Murdered for profit? LOL, this kind of stuff is fantasy. Hard to even respond to ridiculousness.


My hospital has 65 Covid patients, on new oxygen or on highflow. We have 8 that are intubated and will likely die. We only have 170 people in the hospital. Is 65 a lot?

[okie]

How many deaths were due to covid - MOST but contributed to by their other issues.
Minimal flu cases last year. We had a quad test and the flu just didn't pop.
Murdered for profit? LOL, this kind of stuff is fantasy. Hard to even respond to ridiculousness.


My hospital has 65 Covid patients, on new oxygen or on highflow. We have 8 that are intubated and will likely die. We only have 170 people in the hospital. Is 65 a lot?

I know the feeling.

[mRad]

I don't know how, but it does in fact make some people bleed. It almost kind of looks like a hemorrhagic fever.

To the point of death despite mass transfusion? No.


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[mRad]

Except I didn't post anything proving your point.

You just didn’t know you did.


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[jsbhike]

You just didn’t know you did.


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Except I didn't.

Several were on here claiming when covid was listed as cause of death the deceased died of covid. Then the news started coming out that someone could die of some other ailment, but if they tested positive for covid then covid got listed as the cause of death. 2 of the more interesting involved an alcohol poisoning death in CO and the motorcycle death in FL(that one even has the ME stating that was what happened) where covid was listed as cause of death until media got involved and shamed the oh so ethical medical folks in to correcting the death certificates.

[mRad]

Except I didn't.

Several were on here claiming when covid was listed as cause of death the deceased died of covid. Then the news started coming out that someone could die of some other ailment, but if they tested positive for covid then covid got listed as the cause of death. 2 of the more interesting involved an alcohol poisoning death in CO and the motorcycle death in FL(that one even has the ME stating that was what happened) where covid was listed as cause of death until media got involved and shamed the oh so ethical medical folks in to correcting the death certificates.

Keep on keepin’ on.


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[Adrenaline_6]

Except I didn't.

Several were on here claiming when covid was listed as cause of death the deceased died of covid. Then the news started coming out that someone could die of some other ailment, but if they tested positive for covid then covid got listed as the cause of death. 2 of the more interesting involved an alcohol poisoning death in CO and the motorcycle death in FL(that one even has the ME stating that was what happened) where covid was listed as cause of death until media got involved and shamed the oh so ethical medical folks in to correcting the death certificates.

I heard that motorcycle Covid death ridiculousness live on the radio. It was Orange County. They had evening Covid conferences on the radio daily. I heard it and couldn't believe I just heard what they said they did on public radio.

[sidewaysil80]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but if Covaxin ever gets approved in US I could see myself getting that one. It’s the only traditional/inactivated virus vaccine, no synthetic BS, no screwing with mRNA, the only vaccine that is truly “no different then flu shot”.

[Diamondback]

So the Old Crab got strongarmed into the J&J shot next Thursday.

Case data:
*Female over 65
*Hormone issues from no HRT after a hysterectomy 20 years ago
*Under monitoring by a cardiologist due to obesity-related cardiac issues
*Morbidly obese
*Lymphedema
*Bilateral osteoarthritis
*Borderline diabetic
*No known history of blood clots
*Family history of blood pressure issues
*Family history of thyroid issues, though not present in her
*Known allergies include penicillin, most bandage adhesives and all fish and shellfish
*Most normal OTC and prescription pain relievers ineffective; "all or nothing" pain sense
*Current medications include atorvastatin, metoprolol, amlodipine, isosorbide, lisinopril
*OTC supplements include D3, calcium-magnesium, turmeric

Question: What do I need to watch for and expect with her?

[okie]

To the point of death despite mass transfusion? No.


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That I do not know. The cases I'm aware of the people didn't die. They said that the clots caused bruising, which then caused bleeding. I mean, if it were bad enough I'm sure a person could bleed to death internally from it. I guess we're just lucky that so far that hasn't happened.