Sorry, but I think the missionaries should have assumed the risk before going there. Why is it my responsibility to save them? They should have saved themselves and stayed home.
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Sorry, but I think the missionaries should have assumed the risk before going there. Why is it my responsibility to save them? They should have saved themselves and stayed home.
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Taking children to a depraved and extremely poor country that has seen destruction and anarchy ensue. Why put children in that situation?
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I think they did assume the risk, and they were there helping people unable to help themselves. That doesn't mean they need to be left to death. We also shouldn't send the message that you can kidnap Americans with impunity because it's nobody's probably but their own if they get into a scrape.Originally Posted by GH41
We should be our brothers keepers. And I say screw this whole thing of "working towards releasing the hostages." How about "Alright punks. Let them go or we're going to kill every last one of you! Don't f**k with the U.S."
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To some extent I agree with you. That being said, people throughout the world need to be taught you don't screw with a U.S. citizen without suffering severe consequences. The FBI is not the first federally funded entity I would have chosen to recover the hostages.
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I think the best way to communicate with people is in the language they best understand. Israel understands this concept very well. You f*** with us, we WILL find you, we WILL kill you, and we WILL f*** with your family to boot. You kill one of ours, we kill 10 of yours. Ready? Let's play, you first.
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Unfortunately, it means that using force to recover the hostages is probably not ever going to be considered. This is classic Democratic strategy. During the 90s, the CIA repeatedly went to Clinton and asked him to green light a strike on Bin Laden. Each time, it was the same answer: Only if the FBI gets to lead the mission, and it's going to be a capture, not kill, mission.
This crisis could be solved in a matter of days by sending a JSOC unit to put a violent end to the hostage takers. But likely what's going to happen is that those people are going to be held hostage for a year or more before the federal government pays off the hostage takers.
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Normalcy bias, + a heaping helping of religious do-goodism and naivete about how the world works.
Kinda like the people that take their kids to "protests".
I am not surprised in the least. Gov in those places is already incompetent, or on the take, or undermanned/underskilled, or all the above. Given the gangs have been at this ransom thing for a while, hell, they probably have more money than the gov in a place like Haiti. It's going to continue to grow until it gets stopped...."Haiti has been beset by problems. Gang crime is rising, and the government keeps losing control in gang-controlled areas..."
Worst case, make a deal to pay the Haitian gov 16Mil to let us fly in a few high speed types to wack these guys and fly our folks out, lesser of evils at least.
Regardless, I'm not making policy, but I think kidnapping Americans for ransom is going to be big business within the next ten years, if we keep dealing with folks like this. The world knows we're weaksauce right now; we've already botched AFG and apparently have more or less lost control of our southern border, and now if we start paying ransom to shitty little gangsters...? Well, unleash the barbarian hordes, it's Fall Of Rome 2.0 in here.
Yes, I know I'm jumping the gun on predicting which way this will go, but given the current admin's swathe of idiocy they've managed to carve in less than a year, I'll take my own bet.
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Honestly, I think we've put the JSOC guys in harms way enough, I don't want to spend them in Haiti. FBI sounds perfect.FBI & DoS? I guess Empty Shelves Joe forgot we have a military? This job is tailor made for JSOC, not FBI & DoS.
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Because some people are incredibly stupid, criminally naive and leave everything up to faith when they should be exercising common sense. Same people take their families to Africa all the time with often horrific results. Some are do gooders, some are god squad and some are just f'ing stupid.
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Chuck, we miss ya man.
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The thing is though, they live for this stuff. They'll love nothing more than to send a message about what happens when you screw with our citizens.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who do not.-Ben Franklin
there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.-Samwise Gamgee
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