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    Ok so I have one. Not really AR related but it is firearm related. I have a CZ Scorpion that I love. However the trigger leaves quite a bit to be desired. Several folks sell trigger shoes and springs for it (this was back before anyone had come out with a drop in kit) but I knew that wasn't going to cut it. I ordered springs and a trigger shoe from a company called Shooters Element. He offers trigger jobs but I decided I wanted to spend some money locally and I took it to a local shop to work on. Which, by the way, has done some really nice work for me in the past. A few weeks later I get it back and its horrible. I'm not sure they even polished anything. It may have been worse than stock. On the way home from the shop I called Shooters Element and the owner answered the phone. It was his cell number and he's a one man show. I told him what had happened and he laughed, saying yeah I get these calls alot. Send it to me and Ill fix it. Now, keep in mind his trigger install and polish only costs like 55 bucks. Even with the parts added in it is still under a hundy. I am of course somewhat skeptical at this point after having been burned once. I put it in the mail on a Monday. On Wed he calls me "Dude, this thing is a mess. They didnt touch a thing internally, the springs are installed incorrectly, and to top it off they never tightened up the screws on your safety levers. I took care of it and oh, I also polished the drum on the safety selector so it smooth like butter now." I had it back in my hands by the following Monday. A week turn around and the trigger is pretty fantastic. Not AR fantastic but worlds better than stock. I wish I had more work to send that guy's way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch110 View Post
    Ok so I have one. Not really AR related but it is firearm related. I have a CZ Scorpion that I love. However the trigger leaves quite a bit to be desired. Several folks sell trigger shoes and springs for it (this was back before anyone had come out with a drop in kit) but I knew that wasn't going to cut it. I ordered springs and a trigger shoe from a company called Shooters Element. He offers trigger jobs but I decided I wanted to spend some money locally and I took it to a local shop to work on. Which, by the way, has done some really nice work for me in the past. A few weeks later I get it back and its horrible. I'm not sure they even polished anything. It may have been worse than stock. On the way home from the shop I called Shooters Element and the owner answered the phone. It was his cell number and he's a one man show. I told him what had happened and he laughed, saying yeah I get these calls alot. Send it to me and Ill fix it. Now, keep in mind his trigger install and polish only costs like 55 bucks. Even with the parts added in it is still under a hundy. I am of course somewhat skeptical at this point after having been burned once. I put it in the mail on a Monday. On Wed he calls me "Dude, this thing is a mess. They didnt touch a thing internally, the springs are installed incorrectly, and to top it off they never tightened up the screws on your safety levers. I took care of it and oh, I also polished the drum on the safety selector so it smooth like butter now." I had it back in my hands by the following Monday. A week turn around and the trigger is pretty fantastic. Not AR fantastic but worlds better than stock. I wish I had more work to send that guy's way.
    Perfect example of what I was hoping people would post. Would you be so good as to share the name of the company that did the work correctly?

    Second question, have you tried any other springs or trigger kits in your CZ Scorpion since then? I can't say I'm in love with my trigger, and cutting springs is the losers easy way out IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    That's like going to a doctor with the expectation that you have inoperable colorectal cancer and you'll be pleasantly surprised by anything less, though.
    BOTACH is like going into your doctor for a cold, and coming out with a sore rectum.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    Perfect example of what I was hoping people would post. Would you be so good as to share the name of the company that did the work correctly?

    Second question, have you tried any other springs or trigger kits in your CZ Scorpion since then? I can't say I'm in love with my trigger, and cutting springs is the losers easy way out IMHO.
    Absolutely.

    https://www.shooterselement.com/

    And its driving me crazy but I cannot for the life of me remember the name of the guy who owns it. I have to go back and look at my emails. He uses the HBi trigger spring kits and then does a nice polish job on the internals. I would call it a really nice duty trigger.

    I have not tried the Timney or the Ascalon Arms trigger packs. The Timney came out not long after mine was done and after hearing about the teething problems they were having I lost interest pretty quickly. Not sure if they have been corrected or not. I also haven't followed the Ascalon Arms but with a 2lb trigger pull it wasn't something I wanted in a gun that gets used as a truck gun from time to time. Plus at the time their trigger shoes first became available they technically weren't licensed for import which gave me pause. Pretty sure that has all been corrected.

    For what I use it for, part time truck gun and part time PCC/Steel Plate gun, it works well enough for me. If I were actually trying to be competitive in the PCC/Steel Plate part of its intended use I dont think I'd be using a Scorpion to begin with, lol.

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    I personally find a 2lb trigger to be idiocy in the CZ Scorpion, but that is just me and just my own uses.
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    The Questionables: For those "Interesting Finds" that may not be so good...

    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    Thanks, I don't want this thread to become a straight up bashing thread, but I think its important to get the word out. Much in the same way, I think its also important to spread the good with the bad. For example:

    I recently made an order from Shark Arms. This was an order regarding their Sig P226 magazines which they stated were in good shape. Sharks wasn't a company I was going to comment on until I had done personal business with them. I did not like that they sell knock off stuff from China. To sell knockoff stuff mixed in with legit items on a page just rings me wrong. In the case of the P226 mags, my initial email went unanswered. I really wish Sharks had a real webpage you could order from, and it was me trying to order from my yahoo account which probably why I never got a reply. However, when I emailed them again, they were great to deal with and got my order to me pretty quickly. The Sig mags are actually parkerized mags made by Mecgar, but that is who I believe made all the contract mags anyway.

    So, the QUESTIONABLE part of this one turned out to be GTG.
    I would watch Shark. I had a handful of dealings with them a couple of years ago that went well. Legit new Colt, FN, and KAC parts at good prices. I was thinking it was too good to be true.

    Then things started going down hill after inventory started running dry and they started selling used and surplus parts. Several people including myself got burned buying what were described as NOS Colt bolts only to receive badly worn surplus. I asked the owner what was up and he replied saying those were quality old school bolts and would outlast anything today. He gladly accepted my return and refunded my money at least.

    Then I ordered a brand new FN BCG and got a used one. Not terrible shape but not close to new either. When I asked, he stated that was the only one he had. I did get a charging handle out of them for free at least.

    Fool me onceÖwell you know the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waylander View Post
    I would watch Shark. I had a handful of dealings with them a couple of years ago that went well. Legit new Colt, FN, and KAC parts at good prices. I was thinking it was too good to be true.

    Then things started going down hill after inventory started running dry and they started selling used and surplus parts. Several people including myself got burned buying what were described as NOS Colt bolts only to receive badly worn surplus. I asked the owner what was up and he replied saying those were quality old school bolts and would outlast anything today. He gladly accepted my return and refunded my money at least.

    Then I ordered a brand new FN BCG and got a used one. Not terrible shape but not close to new either. When I asked, he stated that was the only one he had. I did get a charging handle out of them for free at least.

    Fool me once…well you know the rest.
    Another perfect example of what this thread is for, thank you for sharing your experiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    I personally find a 2lb trigger to be idiocy in the CZ Scorpion, but that is just me and just my own uses.
    Iíve never understood the fascination with a sub 5 pound trigger on anything auto-loading. That being said, the long take-up of the Scorpion helps if itís left in place.

    I have no scientific evidence to prove this, but the relatively large bolt mass adds another concern because the inertia is in direct opposition to the trigger pull direction. If anything but a firm grip on the gun is used to stop the force, I could see an ND possibly happening if the trigger pull is too light or the take-up shortened too much. HBI springs and a light polish is enough for me.

    Sorry for the thread drift but itís a pet peeve of mine.

    Shooters Element seems good to go from everything Iíve seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    I personally find a 2lb trigger to be idiocy in the CZ Scorpion, but that is just me and just my own uses.
    Couldn't agree more.

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    Curious that Big Daddy Unlimited supported a so-called "buyback"...

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