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    To NFA, or not to NFA?

    That is the question.

    Have been toying with the idea for years... Have come close a handful of times, but always backed away from the edge because I hated the idea of being on a short list, and having to wait so long.

    PROS:
    Mitigate hearing loss at the range
    Mitigate hearing loss and loss of situational awareness if I have to use a 5.56 without hearing protection
    Cool/fun factor

    CONS:
    Now I'm on yet another list
    $200/item to exercise a God given right
    "Guns 'n ammo money" spent on something that isn't guns 'n ammo
    Have to wait 9-18 months to exercise the PROS

    What say you? Any other pros and cons you can come up with that I've missed?

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    That's pretty much it, though you should still wear hearing protection at the range

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnerblue View Post
    That's pretty much it, though you should still wear hearing protection at the range
    Yeah, for sure. Been doubling up for years, but am still noticing an increase in tinnitus. Have also had the unfortunate experience of touching off a rifle round outdoors without hearing pro, and I can't imagine what it would be like indoors. A friend, working for a federal agency, recently had to fire an SBR past a team member during a take down of a dirt bag, and it blew out his buddy's ear. It was ugly. I know it wouldn't have been "safe" with a can, but it would have been miles better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgeib View Post
    Now I'm on yet another list
    I would drop this one as if you use a credit card, drive a car with Navigation and/or carry a cell phone you're already on every list. I'll explain one example.

    I work for a company investigating real estate options in new markets. Not only can we see where our customer base lives, but we can see where they drive to and where they shop as well. And that's just in about 5 minutes. With more time and data subscriptions we detail everything about everyone in the data, home prices, age, demographic, # kids, # pets, everything. Not government, private sector and everyone sells data to everyone else, I would expect the government is hoovering all this data up as well.

    On the topic of NFA, I went through the same back and forth for years and then finally bit the bullet, 2 form 1 SBR's and 3 form 4 suppressors and it's worth it. My young daughter's first rifle experience was a .22 unsuppressed outside, relatively pleasant. Now all my rifles are suppressed and equally as pleasant to shoot outdoors. The suppressors made it possible for us to share expanded shooting options without the excessive blast and sound that comes from .223, .308, 7.62X39 we shoot together.

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    Just a thought, if you have a carry permit, trust me you are already on every list you can imagine.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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    I appreciate the comments gentlemen. Think I'm gonna pick up a couple Turbo K cans and an OSS HX 762 Ti. Maybe a 22 can after a bit.
    “You have made us for yourself, O Lord, and our heart is restless until it rests in you.” -Augustine

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndmiller View Post
    I would drop this one as if you use a credit card, drive a car with Navigation and/or carry a cell phone you're already on every list. I'll explain one example.

    I work for a company investigating real estate options in new markets. Not only can we see where our customer base lives, but we can see where they drive to and where they shop as well. And that's just in about 5 minutes. With more time and data subscriptions we detail everything about everyone in the data, home prices, age, demographic, # kids, # pets, everything. Not government, private sector and everyone sells data to everyone else, I would expect the government is hoovering all this data up as well.
    We use CoStar every day in my business for our commercial real estate buyers.
    “You have made us for yourself, O Lord, and our heart is restless until it rests in you.” -Augustine

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    Also regarding fear of "the list", that is mostly a pre FOPA 1986 concern. While NFA items are definitely registered to you, you aren't on a "target list" like you were in the Carter days. And there is a LOT of hold over misinformation even decades later.

    I still hear people talk about "If you get Class IIIs...you go one the list and the government can..."

    1. Make you subject to compliance inspections at any time.
    2. Have grounds to go after you for anything they consider an unlicensed NFA item (suppressor wipes were a real boogeyman).
    3. Can seize your entire firearm collection for any simple clerical error.

    Now obviously most of these only apply to SOTs and not private owners of NFA items, but that never stopped the gun community from spreading complete nonsense. And while NFA dealers (FFL/SOTs) are subject to things like compliance inspections it can only be done during business hours and things like that.

    But before Reagan, ATF was notorious for shenanigans from time to time and those stories are still told and often exaggerated. Of course ATF is probably as bad now as it was then but ironically the exception seems to be NFA stuff which they figure is already regulated so they are spending more time going after the "ghost gun" crowd.

    In the last 30 years I have never heard of anyone ending up on ATF radar simply because they own NFA stuff. And trust me, I knew most of the people with NFA stuff in South Florida. The only people getting looked at were people who did or were suspected of doing other things and 95% of it was engaging in buying and selling for profit without having a FFL.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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    They joy of shooting a Hollywood quiet 22 outweighs every con on the list!
    Let those who are fond of blaming and finding fault, while they sit safely at home, ask, ‘Why did you not do thus and so?’I wish they were on this voyage; I well believe that another voyage of a different kind awaits them.”

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    My only regret on NFA stuff is that I didn't do it sooner.

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