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    Quote Originally Posted by pointblank4445 View Post
    Begs the question: "What is the 'mission set' for the HD citizen?" I'm told above that things are different in NJ compared to the FL panhandle compared to (where ever I'm from)...might that not be the same variance from individual to individual...region to region?

    Somewhere between the Red Dawn LARPing fantasies of donning NVG's, plate carriers and the white bread reality that your encounter will just as likely be with your CCW outside your home or not be as planned if defending your home. If going by "most likely", we should all just have j-frames and 870's and drive a Toyota Camry.
    The defining parameters of an armed citizen are probably more blurred than any of the others IMHO.

    I won't disagree that fore solely short-range, reactive, CQB style shooting is why I still have a dedicated Rifle with an Aimpoint, but as stated it is a "niche'" weapon. Or potentially, an ACOG/rmr may indeed be a better value for some.

    My other guns, I also hunt, compete, and shoot them for general amusement as well in addition to being able to do 98+% of the above job.



    IF an individual were looking to follow the example, it would indeed be that of an LE sniper based on the individual/pair dynamic, general emphasis on skill and stealth over dynamic violence of action given the probability of working as an individual (or pair if you're lucky). And (despite what some here think) the context of application of force based not on .mil ROE but state criminal statute.

    ...but obviously I'm a bit biased toward that role.
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    Good post

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    I don't have a ton to add, but I also went down the LPVO stream then switched back to a red dot. For how I worked with the red dot and my realistic expectations of when I'll have to use my gear it's the best fit for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pointblank4445 View Post
    Begs the question: "What is the 'mission set' for the HD citizen?" I'm told above that things are different in NJ compared to the FL panhandle compared to (where ever I'm from)...might that not be the same variance from individual to individual...region to region?

    Somewhere between the Red Dawn LARPing fantasies of donning NVG's, plate carriers and the white bread reality that your encounter will just as likely be with your CCW outside your home or not be as planned if defending your home. If going by "most likely", we should all just have j-frames and 870's and drive a Toyota Camry.
    The defining parameters of an armed citizen are probably more blurred than any of the others IMHO.

    I won't disagree that fore solely short-range, reactive, CQB style shooting is why I still have a dedicated Rifle with an Aimpoint, but as stated it is a "niche'" weapon. Or potentially, an ACOG/rmr may indeed be a better value for some.

    My other guns, I also hunt, compete, and shoot them for general amusement as well in addition to being able to do 98+% of the above job.



    IF an individual were looking to follow the example, it would indeed be that of an LE sniper based on the individual/pair dynamic, general emphasis on skill and stealth over dynamic violence of action given the probability of working as an individual (or pair if you're lucky). And (despite what some here think) the context of application of force based not on .mil ROE but state criminal statute.

    ...but obviously I'm a bit biased toward that role.
    I 100% agree.

    My take on the reality for most HD possibilities ends with a setup that offers good to excellent short range capabilities. The possibility for decent mid range (300 metres) capability. All while remaining as light as possible with a very reliable and robust aiming system. This leans heavily towards an RDO or ACOG.

    On a side note, I'm not against multiple rifles with different setups for different purposes. I see a lot of merit in using your HD/fighting gun for everything and working around or through the shortcomings. Honing skills with ones HD setup takes priority over recreational shooting performance in my mind.
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    I’m actually getting rid of my px4i when I get back. I have 3 if the same different scopes and really see no need for 4 LPVO. Granted that won’t be until March 2022.

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    What about the pst2 1-6 that has a center red dot? It is sfp, which is the only thing I am not a huge fan of, but like that at on low power the reticle is big enough. I am not quit as fast as with my PRO, but it seems like a good compromise between everything and checks a few extra between rds and the lpvo.


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    I am really struggling with LPVOs

    Quote Originally Posted by ubet View Post
    What about the pst2 1-6 that has a center red dot? It is sfp, which is the only thing I am not a huge fan of, but like that at on low power the reticle is big enough. I am not quit as fast as with my PRO, but it seems like a good compromise between everything and checks a few extra between rds and the lpvo.


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    I think it works well so far.

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    IRON SIGHTS....

    Quote Originally Posted by kwelz View Post
    I have a couple guns with Accupower 1-8s on them. But honestly ina, having a harder and harder time justifying their use.

    My first problem is the weight. By the time I add even a lightweight mount this thing is 2lbs. That is a lot of weight to add, even when positioned further back on the rifle.

    Secondly I am a lot slower with them. As strange as it sounds I am faster with my ACOG than I am the LPVOs. Since I do almost no shooting past 75-100 yards the longer range advantage they offer really isnít there for me.

    Am I missing something, or am I really just trying to make a square peg fit in a round hole because it is the new hotness. I kind of feel like I would be better off with a couple magnifiers on my aimpoint micros.
    Iron sights are AWESOME for fast, accurate shooting!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARMED CITIZEN View Post
    Iron sights are AWESOME for fast, accurate shooting!!!!!!!
    GTFO.


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    The biggest problem with LPVOs is that they are cost prohibitive if one is looking for a bombproof optic for heavy use/SHTF scenarios. I can drop $400 on an Aimpoint PRO and have a sight that I can take into combat. I drop $400 on an LPVO, I have an optic that's probably good for range and competition. But one that will be good for worst case scenarios? I don't know.
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    If you're not shooting past 100 yards then they make absolutely no sense. Especially an 8x. At 100 yards, you might benefit from something like a low power ACOG, but for combat accuracy at that range magnification is pretty much only going to hurt you.

    I also found the Accupower 1-8 to be terrible. The reticle is so big you couldn't use it on a man sized target at any range requiring that much magnification. I mean it's absurdly fat. The Accupoint 1-6 was pretty decent, but of course has no functionality as an RDS at close range. The only LPVO I've seen that lives up to the concept is the short dot, but youch! The price...

    You might like an Aimpoint CompM5 or T2 with one of their magnifiers. That's a relatively affordable way to get the best of both worlds without having to cough up the cheddar for a short dot. Although you don't get a reticle or mildot graduations, so you're still dealing with that fat dot and no holdovers at the longer ranges. So honestly I'm not sure if it makes any sense to have a 6x magnifier when you're still stuck with a fat dot and nothing to use for holdovers.

    I think at the end of the day you just have to decide whether it's a CQB or SPR style gun and pick your optic accordingly. Red dots rule for CQB and around 10x mildots rule for precise shots at longer ranges. Things that are in between or hybrids...just kinda suck all around. Or cost a lot of money if they don't.
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