It wasnt the same bayonet, just the same sheath. I figured why sharpen the second one, just to get another dull one the next time.Originally Posted by DG23
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It wasnt the same bayonet, just the same sheath. I figured why sharpen the second one, just to get another dull one the next time.
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Honestly, I could see whoever was in charge of inventory pulling it because it was no longer GI spec.
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Altering a bayonet is never a good idea.
Germans filed their bayonets to make them more deadly. Tommy took great pleasure in killing those guys slowly.
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The M9's scabbard had a sharpening stone attached and stoning the edge was a normal, expected maintenance procedure. There is no inspection step that is failed by the bayonet being sharpened.
M6, M7, M9 bayonet Technical Manual: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...7-23-and-P.pdf
Someone in my company got a bayonet that was sharper than most. I can assure you that no one was going to shave with it.
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I have to say, almost every Army cutting instrument I ran into was pretty dull. Axes, survival knives, Kabars, and bayonets. Pocketknives were sharpish, my chainsaw was pretty sharp. I think dull blades and axes served two purposes - hard to damage a butterknife like edge and Joe was less likely to hurt themselves.
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It was just another possible alternative that came to mind. I know the M9 has all those features. I was just picturing some army supply guy thinking "Geeze those guys will kill each other if they have a sharp bayo" and pulling it.
Probably the most important thing a bayonet does these days is teach those who survive to bring more ammo next time. I can't imagine the absolute shit show things have to devolve into in order for somebody to think "I need a bayonet and I need it RFN." It's right up there with trading helmet hits with another guy.
And I always thought the military should adapt the soviet spring loaded ballistic knife into something like a 6 pack of cheapo tube knives that are fired from a grenade launching ring with a blank. That's the way to shiv the bad guys in a modern military environment.
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Germany issued saw back bayonets for cutting wood, clearing fields of fire, etc. In 1917, Germany removed the saw teeth from those bayonets. Ironically, the British pioneered the concept. Pics here: http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/artikla...8bayonets2.htm
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It's funny how guys can fight trench wars with mustard gas but they get upset about shit like modified bayonets, shotguns and the like. We were issuing knuckle knives including trident blade models (1917 I think) and full on brass knuckles with points and a dagger blade (1918). The idea that we are going to have "civilized rules" was a damn joke.
Of course same Germans during the 80s had most cops carrying handguns in .32 acp (7.65mm) because they didn't want to shoot citizens with 9mm but they could roll MP5s at the airport. Shotguns were verbotten but a G3SG1 was an option if shit got wild.
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Odd that the army that brought you flamethrowers and poison gas got so worked up about shotguns.
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No, the issue was issue saw backs and other bayonets soldiers of both sides considered inhumane, not sharpened ones. Soldiers would actually file their sawtooth bayonets down to avoid being executed, and that in turn lead to an organized program to remove the teeth from all such bayonets by the German army. Even with that in mind, most such stories are more legend than fact, and I have yet to run across a single documented reference to a Kraut (or anyone else for that matter) being executed for carrying the wrong type of bayonet.
Because shotguns were a clear and direct violation of the Hague Convention that banned the use of exposed lead projectiles. Earlier in the war, the Germans had made a great deal of noise over the British use of some hunting rifles (with matching ammo) as sniping weapons and even invented the idea that the magazine cut-off of the SMLE was being used to snip the tip off of Mk VII .303 ball rounds to make them deadlier. It's goofy to get worked up over such things, but it does fit with the German mindset of everything having to follow clear-cut categories and rules.
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The resolution addresses expanding bullets and states "The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core or is pierced with incisions."
Lead round balls were not within the scope of the resolution. The US was also not a signatory, unless I am mistaken.
Vaguely interesting link: http://www.weaponslaw.org/instrument...ue-declaration
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