Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

[The Dumb Gun Collector]

More than a few were nothing more than broke teenagers from the poor side of Boca who actually thought they were gonna make $100 to rub so lotion on the back of some creepy old dude. Like any other low life pimp, Jeff had underage girls who he turned out cruising for other underage girls that he might be able to turn out.

The fact that he ran a pedo club for other pedos like Woody Allen is anything but mundane. People lost their minds a few years ago believing that Comet Pizza / underground child sex slave nonsense, but Jeffrey Island is as close to the real thing as you can get without going someplace like Thailand. That he served up junior high age girls to the wealthy of Hollywood and DC makes it even worse.

Harvey Weinstein was an absolute POS who preyed on those chasing their Hollywood dream, and for all I know ran in the same circles as Epstein and crew, but Maxwell is 100% in the same damn league with all of them as a predatory pedo who fully exploited children for their own sick BS. This isn't a case of some wealthy dude paying for 17 year old models in Europe where age of consent is quite a bit different, these people are kiddie ****ers and only serial killers and their kind are worse. But not by a whole lot.

I'm sure you didn't mean to suggest otherwise but we should be clear about what is what.

I just mean it is exactly what all these rockstar/zillionaire/preacher/priests/ powerful people are always up to. 98% of these people just seem to be focused on sticking their junk in taboo stuff. Listen to the stories of powerful folks, actors, rock bands and rappers and entertainers from time immemorial. Hell, there are a fair number of popular songs about this stuff. Just gross, evil ass people doing what they always do. People are trying to breath all kinds of secret meaning/ illuminati/ Q pizza etc stuff into it and its just some old story.

But don't get me wrong, I think Clinton, Trump, Prince Andrew, Bill Richardson, etc, are all dirtbags and I have no doubt they knew Epstein was a POS and probably banged a bunch of these girls. But I always assumed these guys were all turds.

[SteyrAUG]

I just mean it is exactly what all these rockstar/zillionaire/preacher/priests/ powerful people are always up to. 98% of these people just seem to be focused on sticking their junk in taboo stuff. Listen to the stories of powerful folks, actors, rock bands and rappers and entertainers from time immemorial. Hell, there are a fair number of popular songs about this stuff. Just gross, evil ass people doing what they always do. People are trying to breath all kinds of secret meaning/ illuminati/ Q pizza etc stuff into it and its just some old story.

But don't get me wrong, I think Clinton, Trump, Prince Andrew, Bill Richardson, etc, are all dirtbags and I have no doubt they knew Epstein was a POS and probably banged a bunch of these girls. But I always assumed these guys were all turds.

I was speaking more to the victims and how they weren't just models banging for a buck. You and I are on the same page regarding the feral humans who pull this crap.

[BoringGuy45]

I just mean it is exactly what all these rockstar/zillionaire/preacher/priests/ powerful people are always up to. 98% of these people just seem to be focused on sticking their junk in taboo stuff. Listen to the stories of powerful folks, actors, rock bands and rappers and entertainers from time immemorial. Hell, there are a fair number of popular songs about this stuff. Just gross, evil ass people doing what they always do. People are trying to breath all kinds of secret meaning/ illuminati/ Q pizza etc stuff into it and its just some old story.

But don't get me wrong, I think Clinton, Trump, Prince Andrew, Bill Richardson, etc, are all dirtbags and I have no doubt they knew Epstein was a POS and probably banged a bunch of these girls. But I always assumed these guys were all turds.

It's no secret that Trump knew Epstein, but if it comes out that Trump knew exactly what Epstein was up to and turned a blind eye like everybody else, I wonder if that'll put a dagger in his 2024 hopes. Clinton, of course, gets a pass, because he's a Democrat and they could have a video of him banging a teenage girl and he'll get off on the Shaggy/R. Kelly defense of "it wasn't me." Trump, however, wouldn't get the same pass (nor should he).

[DG23]

It's no secret that Trump knew Epstein, but if it comes out that Trump knew exactly what Epstein was up to and turned a blind eye like everybody else,

Are you not aware Trump banned the guy from his properties and disassociated himself from him?

[The Dumb Gun Collector]

Are you not aware Trump banned the guy from his properties and disassociated himself from him?

Trump only booted him after charges were filed and just a few months before Epstein entered his plea on sex trafficking charges. Everyone was distancing themselves by then. At one point Trump claimed Epstein wasn't a member at Mar-a-Lago, but it later was revealed he was. Also interesting is that Virginia Giuffre, Epstien's "Victim"/chief procurer met Epstein when she was a teenage spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago. Also hilarious is the fact that Trump told New York Magazine in 2002 “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy.” “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” It was all fun and games for these guys.

[wil]

Trump only booted him after charges were filed and just a few months before Epstein entered his plea on sex trafficking charges. Everyone was distancing themselves by then. At one point Trump claimed Epstein wasn't a member at Mar-a-Lago, but it later was revealed he was. Also interesting is that Virginia Giuffre, Epstien's "Victim"/chief procurer met Epstein when she was a teenage spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago. Also hilarious is the fact that Trump told New York Magazine in 2002 “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy.” “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” It was all fun and games for these guys.

it might be Trump didn't realize or genuinely know the enormity of the situation with epstein until the charges were filed.
Did he hear rumors? Likely he did, how much stock should Trump have placed in rumors knowing epstein was well known for being a partying type?

All things considered if Trump was involved with something like this, we'd have known about it by now. The left would have made sure it was front page headlines.

[hotrodder636]

Interesting trial but I don’t think the public will see the fallout they want regarding name droppings.

[The Dumb Gun Collector]

it might be Trump didn't realize or genuinely know the enormity of the situation with epstein until the charges were filed.
Did he hear rumors? Likely he did, how much stock should Trump have placed in rumors knowing epstein was well known for being a partying type?

All things considered if Trump was involved with something like this, we'd have known about it by now. The left would have made sure it was front page headlines.

Well, they have talked about it endlessly, most people have just chalked it up to being exaggerations and lies (which is what most of the media's coverage of trump has been). While I have never believed any of the Russia nonsense, I have always found it a lot easier to believe he was a pervert. There have been at least 18 women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct of various degrees, including many beauty pageant contestants competing in his parents (which Epstien apparently was involved in with Trump back in the 90s). Trump even publicly bragged to Howard Stern about how he would go in to see the contestants while they were naked backstage.

"Well, I'll tell you the funniest is that I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone's getting dressed, and ready and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it. You know, I'm inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good.

"You know, the dresses. 'Is everyone okay?' You know, they're standing there with no clothes. 'Is everybody okay?' And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that. But no, I've been very good."

Now, to be fair, these contestants were 18 and up. He certainly never bragged in public about going in the back to see the contestants at the Miss. Teen USA pageant (that he also ran) as some left wing trolls have accused (some even purposely altering the above quote).

Also note that the first victim in the Epstien Trial was introduced to Trump when she was 14. To his credit, she doesn't say he had sex with her. But on the other hand, at the very least, he didn't think it was his business that his buddy (who Trump had publicly acknowledged liked women "on the younger side") was flying around with a 14 years old beauty.

There is tons and tons of this stuff. I think most of the accusers are like Epstien's, people who wanted to take advantage of these guy's insane wealth. They were happy to whore themselves out, or at least flirt with them, but when the cash ran out or never appeared at all, they were willing to jump on the bandwagon when the real victims were finally getting public attention. I find it hard to believe that Trump wasn't aware of what was going on, and likely took advantage of this stuff. My suspicion is that Trump, although a serial sexual harasser and P)$$y grabber kept most of his activity on the bleeding edge of legal age. A true hero.

[wil]

Well, they have talked about it endlessly, most people have just chalked it up to being exaggerations and lies (which is what most of the media's coverage of trump has been). While I have never believed any of the Russia nonsense, I have always found it a lot easier to believe he was a pervert. There have been at least 18 women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct of various degrees, including many beauty pageant contestants competing in his parents (which Epstien apparently was involved in with Trump back in the 90s). Trump even publicly bragged to Howard Stern about how he would go in to see the contestants while they were naked backstage.

"Well, I'll tell you the funniest is that I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone's getting dressed, and ready and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it. You know, I'm inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good.

"You know, the dresses. 'Is everyone okay?' You know, they're standing there with no clothes. 'Is everybody okay?' And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that. But no, I've been very good."

Now, to be fair, these contestants were 18 and up. He certainly never bragged in public about going in the back to see the contestants at the Miss. Teen USA pageant (that he also ran) as some left wing trolls have accused (some even purposely altering the above quote).

Also note that the first victim in the Epstien Trial was introduced to Trump when she was 14. To his credit, she doesn't say he had sex with her. But on the other hand, at the very least, he didn't think it was his business that his buddy (who Trump had publicly acknowledged liked women "on the younger side") was flying around with a 14 years old beauty.

There is tons and tons of this stuff. I think most of the accusers are like Epstien's, people who wanted to take advantage of these guy's insane wealth. They were happy to whore themselves out, or at least flirt with them, but when the cash ran out or never appeared at all, they were willing to jump on the bandwagon when the real victims were finally getting public attention. I find it hard to believe that Trump wasn't aware of what was going on, and likely took advantage of this stuff. My suspicion is that Trump, although a serial sexual harasser and P)$$y grabber kept most of his activity on the bleeding edge of legal age. A true hero.

I'd never heard any of this and no I'm not saying it's not true either. I read an article in regards to this sort've thing some time back & evidently the left tried to get the girls to say Trump acted lewdly, ie: walked in on them while they were dressing, and they said no he didn't.

As for whatever he said on Stern's show I'll take it at face value as him saying so, never listened to Stern's show.
Based on what you wrote as to his statement, it doesn't genuinely come off as lewd intent, his style of speech at times carries poor clarity. Checking the dresses then jumping to the girls being undressed. It does carry a lewd connotation albeit he may have been attempting to convey something different.

18 women accusing Trump of sexual misconduct? Does that include that porn star? There is the question of are they telling the truth or are they hoping for a check from Trump?
Individuals such as him with the money he has are a target, although he is responsible for not putting himself in positions where anything he does has the wrong appearance.
I agree with your assertion about women either outright whoring themselves out to take advantage of these individuals wealth, or if the $$$ never does appear jump on the sexual misconduct bandwagon hoping for a check.

Billy Grahm had a simple rule: He would never be alone in a room with any woman other than his wife, anytime he had to be around another woman there was always going to be someone there as a witness.
Owing to his position in life & his public status he was careful about certain things. While Trump may not have had lewd intent, he may not have been as careful as he should have been.

[Averageman]

Gee, we have Baldwin, Maxwell, Epstien and The Cuomo's.
We not only encourage this level of Sociopaths, we celebrate it and then wonder WTF, when they act like a Sociopath.
If we didn't celebrate, celebraties and actually called this stuff out when we see it and shame them, perhaps much of this wouldn't happen?