Used is Not New

[.45fan]

The part in bold - Bull Crap.

If I buy a new firearm and never shoot it - It is still a new firearm.

Likewise with respect to parts - I have a metric crap ton of spare parts in my toolboxes and stacked on shelves. They could be months old or years old but if they have never been 'used' they are still 'new' parts. When you buy parts from a vendor do you ask when they received them so you can determine if they are really 'new' or not or do you not give a darn how long they may have been sitting on a shelf or in a warehouse??? 'Unused' is the same exact thing as 'new' for all practical purposes here friend.

Example: I recently bought a bunch of Colt hand guards that they stopped making in the late 90's. Yeah, they were made in the 90's but they were still brand new parts from Colt sealed in the original bags and had never been 'used'...



Next part of what you said is not really true either. If I buy a new firearm to add to my collection and they stop making them soon after (or for whatever reason they become harder to find for the average joe blow) - Well, If you want to buy the one I have it is going to cost you more than what they 'used' to cost. If you don't like my price then go find it somewhere else (knowing that particular item may not be in stock elsewhere).

The EE here is not some sort of charity thing where guys should be expected to take a loss on things are wanting to sell and not receive fair market value. If 'you' choose to sell your stuff there at a loss that is your business but most are not going to go down that road with you.

In regards to the part I made bold, I agree with you but if you read gun forums enough you will learn that as a group "gun owners" are one of the cheapest groups I've ever seen.

You can price something low and a moron will still try to offer less money. Cheapskates call it "bartering" I call it being a cheapskate.

Example, I put a unfired first gen S&W shield on armslist for $150 and had the first 4 emails offering less.
That proves to me that it just isn't worth selling stuff, I'll throw something away as opposed to listing it for sale anymore because of the cheap a holes that respond.

[ABNAK]

In regards to the part I made bold, I agree with you but if you read gun forums enough you will learn that as a group "gun owners" are one of the cheapest groups I've ever seen.

You can price something low and a moron will still try to offer less money. Cheapskates call it "bartering" I call it being a cheapskate.

Example, I put a unfired first gen S&W shield on armslist for $150 and had the first 4 emails offering less.
That proves to me that it just isn't worth selling stuff, I'll throw something away as opposed to listing it for sale anymore because of the cheap a holes that respond.

I can see people asking a sky-high price for something as the potential buyers have a strong "bartering" streak in them, like it's a Middle Eastern bazaar. I don't "enjoy" that. Some get off on a $50 reduction in price. I can certainly see someone asking $1000 for a "lightly used" 6920.

[SteyrAUG]

I bought a Sig Sauer rifle that came with a Bogus Test Target. How do I know it was bogus? The barrel was installed wrong and couldn't possibly zero, even at ten yards.

That's actually pretty funny and sad. Was this a SIG USA rifle?

[SteyrAUG]

In regards to the part I made bold, I agree with you but if you read gun forums enough you will learn that as a group "gun owners" are one of the cheapest groups I've ever seen.

You can price something low and a moron will still try to offer less money. Cheapskates call it "bartering" I call it being a cheapskate.

Example, I put a unfired first gen S&W shield on armslist for $150 and had the first 4 emails offering less.
That proves to me that it just isn't worth selling stuff, I'll throw something away as opposed to listing it for sale anymore because of the cheap a holes that respond.

The sad truth is most gun owners don't feel good about a transaction unless they feel like they screwed someone over.

If a gun is worth about $1,000 and is sold for about $1,000 most of these jackasses feel bad regardless of if they were the buyer or seller.

However if a gun is worth $1,000 and the seller gets $1,500 for it because somebody confused t with something more valuable, then the seller views the transaction as the greatest deal he's ever been involved in. Conversely if a buyer confuses the same item as being worth $1,500 and believes they "stole it" for only $1,000 they also feel it is the greatest deal they've ever been involved in.

There are some true shitheads in the so called firearms industry and I've seen reprehensible shit on both sides of the table.

There was a time I bought some rifle for $200 above my FFL price simply because somebody had one and I didn't want to wait. When a couple other dealers found out they first thought I was an idiot who didn't know the FFL price was a lot cheaper, but when I explained I didn't care what it cost because I was NEVER gonna sell it anyway they couldn't even relate to that kind of thinking.

There are still good guys here and there of course but they days of "most people" just trying to get a "fair deal" are mostly over.

[SteyrAUG]

I can see people asking a sky-high price for something as the potential buyers have a strong "bartering" streak in them, like it's a Middle Eastern bazaar. I don't "enjoy" that. Some get off on a $50 reduction in price. I can certainly see someone asking $1000 for a "lightly used" 6920.

That's one nice thing about GB, you see what things are actually worth. Lot's of 0 bid ARs with asking prices of $2,500 that haven't moved in almost a year, and a handful of things actually selling because it was a $1 start auction. Lots of other stuff with 28 bids but still haven't met the reserve and NEVER will.

[.45fan]

The sad truth is most gun owners don't feel good about a transaction unless they feel like they screwed someone over.

If a gun is worth about $1,000 and is sold for about $1,000 most of these jackasses feel bad regardless of if they were the buyer or seller.

However if a gun is worth $1,000 and the seller gets $1,500 for it because somebody confused t with something more valuable, then the seller views the transaction as the greatest deal he's ever been involved in. Conversely if a buyer confuses the same item as being worth $1,500 and believes they "stole it" for only $1,000 they also feel it is the greatest deal they've ever been involved in.

There are some true shitheads in the so called firearms industry and I've seen reprehensible shit on both sides of the table.

There was a time I bought some rifle for $200 above my FFL price simply because somebody had one and I didn't want to wait. When a couple other dealers found out they first thought I was an idiot who didn't know the FFL price was a lot cheaper, but when I explained I didn't care what it cost because I was NEVER gonna sell it anyway they couldn't even relate to that kind of thinking.

There are still good guys here and there of course but they days of "most people" just trying to get a "fair deal" are mostly over.

Thank you, I agree 100%.

[HKGuns]

Things I have learned being a FFL since the late 90s.

I have a Pain In My F'ing Ass surcharge. It fluctuates accordingly. Yes sir, the Glock really is $895.00...yes sir I completely understand you can buy it elsewhere a LOT cheaper.

You left out one part..................and I hope you go there and buy it. There are some people who are absolutely not worth the transaction.

The people who rant THE MOST about communism suddenly want me to become a community gun dealer because it supports second amendment freedom fighters and what kind of ahole would think about profiting from that? I mean isn't it my obligation to sell such valiant, internet activists firearms AT COST or even better at BELOW COST because internet activism is almost the same as military service and they give those guys guns for free. They are after all...defending capitalism, even if they don't agree with it right now...on the purchase of a firearm. It's the philosophical idea of capitalism they are defending.

Yep, capitalism is great until you're too stupid to realize someone else needs to make a living too. This exact scenario played out in a thread I recently started in the technical section. Where an honest contributor to this industry was called out for trying to make a profit on something when he actually wasn't.

Unbelievable......and the stuff that ignore lists are made of I tell ya.

[Averageman]

That's actually pretty funny and sad. Was this a SIG USA rifle?

Yes and apparently being a Beta tester of these pieces of crap, I got what I deserved, two in a row that sucked balls.

[SteyrAUG]

Yes and apparently being a Beta tester of these pieces of crap, I got what I deserved, two in a row that sucked balls.

Yeah, SIG USA started putting out bottom feeder crap about the same time they debuted that SIG 556 POS rifle that we were all hoping was gonna be a domestic 550. Test target on a rifle not capable of firing might be in the top 10 pathetic things I've ever heard about a company that presumes to be a manufacturer of high end firearms.

[pinzgauer]

Those who say NIB is new are totally ignoring the fact that many manufacturers will not warranty an item bought from an individual.

Especially firearms for anything other than blatant defects and companies like Ruger for Blackhawks.

You don't have what they would consider acceptable proof of purchase.

Of course that's when someone's going to chime in and say that's why they only buy from XYZ company who will warranty anything.

But the fact remains that for many items new warranty doesn't transfer to the second owner unless the warranty explicitly states that or the company is an exceptional one.

I see items by some of the posters in this thread that I look at and say that's 80% of new, why would I save $5-10 on a used item on a forum when I can order the same thing online new for just slightly more.

Unless it's "like new" and saving me a minimum of 20 to 40 bucks over new I'll just get new, thank you.

But I've also gotten some great deals on EE and think it's a useful thing.

I see a lot of hot rod syndrome in equipment exchange firearms, people listing a frankengun that was their dream build for the sum of all of its parts. When like hot rods, rarely is that a dream build for someone else and you pretty much never get the money out of a custom build that you put into it.

Even face to face there is risk buying firearms used from someone you do not know. (Not a dealer) There are ways to mitigate that, but it's still a risk. I have called the local PD a couple of times and had them run the serial number on a firearm I was considering buying face to face to ensure it was not stolen.

But I've bought multiple packs and higher end web gear for very reasonable prices on EE. It was a service to both of us.