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Honu
I had heard of that stuff but its not quite how you wrote it IMHO
bellamy DIED 2 yrs before hitler even rose to power !!!
the salute was from 1892 hitler would have been 3 yrs old ! actually was a military salute then when saying to the flag you raise your hand toward flag
they also did change that to over the heart WWII for all because of that hitler thing so maybe hitler copied it ?
why in school
its about loving the country you live in not hating it and some discipline in the class and school
if you hate the pledge you could stand up and just stand there but its about stopping and listening and being quiet and respect etc...
socialist from 120 yrs go is not the same at all ?
Not to get too far off topic, Hitler, or some early nazi, stole the Roman salute as well as the Eagle standard.
But yeah, the "pledge" is completely socialist. Then sometime in the 50s they added "under god" to make it religiously socialist. Either way they can take that crap walking. You don't have to pledge anything to be a good American, you simply need to respect the Constitution. Those other socialists countries, including Germany's "national socialists", all required some kind of BS pledge.
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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