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    During my USAF tenure, the only instance that I heard of this being done was (as mentioned above) band members. Of course, this predated the cyber era.

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    The Navy reserve did it with corpsmen, called it Advanced Pay Grade, come in an E4 or E5, boot was a 2-week school. They recruited paramedics, RTs, radiology techs...

    The Navy still does this with certain staff corps specialties: JAG, nurses, chaplain, docs.

    I'd imagine they'd still get an indoc school. I guess the question is, for these MOSs, what is the purpose of boot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckman View Post
    The Navy reserve did it with corpsmen, called it Advanced Pay Grade, come in an E4 or E5, boot was a 2-week school. They recruited paramedics, RTs, radiology techs...

    The Navy still does this with certain staff corps specialties: JAG, nurses, chaplain, docs.

    I'd imagine they'd still get an indoc school. I guess the question is, for these MOSs, what is the purpose of boot?
    I'd suspect in their case Boot is part of the indoctrination/cultural assimilation process--"break the recruit down as an individual and rebuild him into what the service needs him to be."
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckman View Post
    The Navy reserve did it with corpsmen, called it Advanced Pay Grade, come in an E4 or E5, boot was a 2-week school. They recruited paramedics, RTs, radiology techs...

    The Navy still does this with certain staff corps specialties: JAG, nurses, chaplain, docs.

    I'd imagine they'd still get an indoc school. I guess the question is, for these MOSs, what is the purpose of boot?
    Some freaking "right of passage" perhaps? May end up being minimal, but jeez....

    Some Soldier/Marine/Airman/Sailor should have a sense of "passing" some sort of tribulation to be there. Otherwise make it a GS position if remedial or remotely tough training isn't part of the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckman View Post
    The Navy reserve did it with corpsmen, called it Advanced Pay Grade, come in an E4 or E5, boot was a 2-week school. They recruited paramedics, RTs, radiology techs...

    The Navy still does this with certain staff corps specialties: JAG, nurses, chaplain, docs.

    I'd imagine they'd still get an indoc school. I guess the question is, for these MOSs, what is the purpose of boot?
    They did away with it for enlisted a few years ago. That's how the SeaBees were founded and now they're paying a price for ending the APG program. Previously it was called NPSAC, non prior service ascension program. E-3 thru E-6 but I only knew on one who came in as an E-6. He spent 20 years as an E-6, made CPO and retired!

    They still have the programs for staff officers and they go to DCO school, direct commission officer, which does culminate in a two week knife and fork school. As you said medical, dental, supply, chaplains, and CEC corps.
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    Let's not forget the Marine reservists used to not have to go to boot; almost none of the reservists in Korea had boot camp. They did alright upholding the finest traditions. So if we're (royal 'we', not us here) having the discussion, we may need to slay some sacred cows.

    Again, not sure I have an opinion one way or the other right now.

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    I'd suspect it goes back to "you're good, but can you do what you do in COMBAT?" If memory serves, there were cases of field hospitals like MASH units coming under fire in Korea, so a certain degree of that thinking may still be there along with the "rite of passage" and "break down to rebuild in our image" factors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringGuy45 View Post
    Isn't this what warrant officers are for?
    That was my first thought.

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    It seems that there is some kind of joke revolving around eating crayons that could be made?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckman View Post
    The Navy reserve did it with corpsmen, called it Advanced Pay Grade, come in an E4 or E5, boot was a 2-week school. They recruited paramedics, RTs, radiology techs...

    The Navy still does this with certain staff corps specialties: JAG, nurses, chaplain, docs.

    I'd imagine they'd still get an indoc school. I guess the question is, for these MOSs, what is the purpose of boot?
    Common experience that permits the wearing of the uniform. Even if the boot isn't exactly the same. Much of the focus will be how to properly wear the uniform.
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