Safety Lever Question

**ssc** · 12-03-21, 17:11

During the past few weeks, I have seen three AR safety lever issues. None have been with my guns. I don't have nor like ambi safeties. All, but one, of my builds have the standard one piece safety that comes in parts kits from BCM or SOL. I assume they are made by Schmid. They work and I have never had an issue. To me they are part of my KISS thought. I did install a FC Q lever safety with the button on the off side. I have not run that lower hard so have no opinion.

In all three cases, a lever had come off. I assume if ambi, then the safety could be operated with the other side? One wasn't an ambi, so it was an issue. One locked on safe and one was on fire. In all three cases, I was approached and asked if I had tools, so I did look at the gun and the issue. So, with that said, are these aftermarket, ambi, bigger and or "better" lever , short 60/45 degree etc safeties more of a fad? Are they really appropriate for a hard use weapon or just tactical testical BS? Or perhaps game gun appropriate? Looking for thoughts and to be educated.

Cheers, Steve

**Inkslinger** · 12-03-21, 17:23

I have no ambi safeties on any of my rifles. I have no particular reason for doing so. I can’t say I’ve ever heard them being problematic. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess this was an issue caused by the people who installed them and not a problem with the safety. It’s possible not knowing who manufactured them, they may just be low quality junk.

**titsonritz** · 12-03-21, 20:24

What were the safeties? I've not had any problems with several BAD-ASS & BAD-CASS as well as a few Talons. Recently installed a FCD Q lever and think I might like it the best and can't see one of those levers coming off regardless of how hard the use.

**17K** · 12-03-21, 21:09

I’m the same way as OP. Only Schmid single side safeties with the lever that reaches the middle of the drum.

Ambi safeties get in my way and the fiddly ones with all the lever choices that are held together with locktite can be maddening to remove.

**ssc** · 12-03-21, 21:55

As far as install, I have no info. In regards to what make, I think one was a radian and not sure about the other two. I want my manual of arms to be identical on my guns, so I rarely have different parts. I have one lower that is my test lower. That is the one that has the FC Q lever. I truly enjoy talking with Roger and like his products. Almost all my lowers run his ABC. The jury is still out on the Q lever. I need to give it more time. However, with my observations over the past few weeks, I think the KISS philosophy will keep me with the simple, robust, non multiple piece safety. To me, the multiple piece safety--whether ambi or not--short stroke or not, it just introduces possible issues.

Come to think of it, I have seen issues during competitions with safeties, especially the short stroke ones. Nonetheless, I am open to be educated and look forward to those more experienced. Frankly, I don't know what I don't know.

Cheers, Steve

**Leaveammoforme** · 12-03-21, 23:50

I was chatting with a guy after a geared up run at a match a couple weeks ago. Out of the blue he goes "My selector is gone". I looked down at his rifle as he was wiggling the grip like a slinky. Grip screw came loose and detent lost friction against selector.

I always used that possible scenario as the reasoning behind using ambi-selectors. First time I've ever actually seen it play out though. Any crack head can find a flat head to tighten a grip screw. A selector becoming part of the ecosystem is a bit more of an issue.

This is an "upgraded" selector detent that comes with the BAD-CASS.

Selector was getting mushy in "Safe" and I trucked on. I eventually started finding my rifle on "Fire" after it was jostled around.

Anything can fail if it wasn't installed correctly or maintained appropriately.

**1168** · 12-04-21, 09:51

Current issued M4A1s come with ambi selectors, and have for years. 416, also. Beyond that, I’ve only used a couple other brands, and I’ve not had them fall apart. Many have the left lever one-piece with the center, and then the right lever gets attached after that portion. That type would continue to function like a normal non-ambi selector in the event that the lever falls off. I wouldn’t want one that has both levers (or the single left lever) screwed on, for the reasons in the OP.

I don’t own any short throw levers, but I’ve got a dude I shoot with weekly that has one. Seems fine. I’d bet they are not all created equally. I’ll try one from FCD eventually.

**steelcore** · 12-04-21, 18:12

Battle arms development and radian, never had any issues.

**Randall** · 12-04-21, 19:39

Originally Posted by Leaveammoforme

This is an "upgraded" selector detent that comes with the BAD-CASS.

Selector was getting mushy in "Safe" and I trucked on. I eventually started finding my rifle on "Fire" after it was jostled around.

Anything can fail if it wasn't installed correctly or maintained appropriately.

I had the exact same thing happen with a BAD-CASS detent as well. It was ground into a chisel shape just like your picture.

As far as ambi's go, I like them. Especially on my hunting gun, I like easy access to the safety when I make a left handed shot. Doable without, but easier with. Other than the detent, I've never had any problems or had any levers come off. I do blue loctite the heck out of the screws though.