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    Taking a class with armor?

    I am attending a two day rifle/pistol class in a few months. I own plates and a carrier and wad kinda throwing around the idea of wearing them in the class.

    The goal of doing so would be to see if I need to make any adjustments to my setup. I was curious if others do this? And what were the reactions of the trainers?

    I'm just a guy who is a firearms enthusiast and don't want to make a false impression that I'm a highly trained forces guy just based off what I wear.

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    There’s nothing wrong with it, especially if your mag pouches are on the carrier.
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    I think it’s a good idea, not just to check how your gear runs, but also to get used to wearing it for a period of time.

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    I say it depends on the class, your skill level, your athleticism, weather, and what you're trying to get out of the class.

    What's the curriculum about? Is you being in armor going to slow down the class, whether it be due to fatigue or heat exhaustion? Will it take away from your ability to learn what you want from the class? If this is your first formal class, and you've little formal training, it may take away from your ability to learn about the raw shooting mechanics being taught in the class. Just things to consider; I've always run full kit in the few rifle classes I've taken, and have found a few small details on my kit I wanted to change. That being said, some good 2 gun matches can also show you issues in your kit, as would any structured training day with some more experienced folks.
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    I would say no, don’t wear it. You’re there to learn and build from there. So what’s going to be most conducive to learning what the instructor is teaching. If you start fighting your gear or getting tired too soon, you’ll lose focus on the instruction.

    I’ve been to too many classes and matches and seen guys completely gassed because they’re trying to be at cool guy band camp.
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    Definitely bring it. If it's an intro type class it might be too much. But running your rig makes sense. Better to have it than regret not bringing it. You can ditch it if it's a burdon.
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    I've run into this issue in several classes. It'd be nice to wear it because if I'm ever fighting with a rifle, you'd better believe I'm going to try to have armor on, and a class can be as close to a real-world test as you can get without having the targets shoot back. But, it can get in the way, slow you down, and at the very least, make you look like you're trying to be tacti-cool.

    My personal solution is to bring your kit, and add to it over the course of the class if you feel confident in your abilities and think you won't be taking away from what you can learn in the class, or bogging the class down. For example, I did a carbine class several years back where I started with just my battle belt and added the plate carrier later in the day when I had gotten comfortable with the carbine/other equipment set up. That way you have a firm baseline so you know if your first like equipment and carbine play well together, before adding other variables to the mix.
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    Thank you all for the excellent feedback.

    To add some depth to the conversation it is the Gamut Resolutions Intro to Tactical Carbine and Pistol class (https://gamutresolutions.com/wp-cont...istol-2019.pdf)

    I have taken fairly basic pistol and rifle classes before, but not together. I wanted to continue with a few more basic classes from different instructors before I move into advanced classes.

    I have my belt set up how I am happy with it, so the only thing I would be fighting with would be the armor.

    My athleticism can for sure use improvement.

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    I wouldn't in an Intro class, you are there to learn the fundamentals not wrestle with body armor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by titsonritz View Post
    I wouldn't in an Intro class, you are there to learn the fundamentals not wrestle with body armor.
    This. Learn the base first.
    Practice at home, once you are comfortable, incorporate armor/other gear and build up to test function and long-term fit/function.

    Its an unnecessary distraction for learning how to learn fundamentals... and thats not a typo.

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