.380 ACP isn’t so bad after all

[HKGuns]

I don't have the document any more, it was during the intifada so the number of shootings was fairly high like an average of maybe 4 a week something like that.

The .380 was dramatically worse than 9mm. Remember we are talking Israel, so the calibers that people had in order from highest to lowest 9mm, 380, 32 auto. None of the other calibers had enough people using them to really matter.

I will never forget the ultra orthodox guy that had move from NYC, that stopped a terrorist take over of a bus with a Star PD and 6 rounds of .45acp. He shot 1 terrorist and the others fled. They later car jacked a poor woman that was later murdered by the @$$holes, when they cam on a road block we had set up. But no terrorist survived the day.

Invalid data point! Everyone knows Palestinian's can't shoot!

[T2C]

I went to every civilian shooting of a terrorist for 18 months.

I saw many failures in .380 or 9mm short as it is know outside the USA. It was such a failure I had a brother in law turn his 380 in for a real 9mm

In my experience, some of the .380 ammunition from outside CONUS is loaded much hotter. Was the .380 ammunition used in Israel loaded to SAAMI specs or European specs?

[yoni]

In my experience, some of the .380 ammunition from outside CONUS is loaded much hotter. Was the .380 ammunition used in Israel loaded to SAAMI specs or European specs?

European

[markm]

.380 is a MAN STOPPER! with Knock Down power!

[markm]

In my experience, some of the .380 ammunition from outside CONUS is loaded much hotter.

Could be. I remember when I was a kid, my buddy brought his POS 380 out... some walther knock off turd. I was amazed that plywood was stopping/capturing the bullets. (FMJs)

[WillBrink]

Oy vey. Not one of those silly info graphics is of value and demonstrates a poor/outdated understanding of terminal ballistics science. Smells like debunked Sanow and Marshall nonsense.

[KUSA]

Until they chamber this gun in 9mm, I’m stuck with .380.

While I prefer my Sig P360, it is much harder to conceal with shorts and a tee shirt.

[Ron3]

Oy vey. Not one of those silly info graphics is of value and demonstrates a poor/outdated understanding of terminal ballistics science. Smells like debunked Sanow and Marshall nonsense.

Give it a read.

It doesn't claim to provide all the answers. But I think it has value.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alte...stopping-power

[1_click_off]

Until they chamber this gun in 9mm, I’m stuck with .380.

While I prefer my Sig P360, it is much harder to conceal with shorts and a tee shirt.

They do, it is called a PM9. I have one with a crimson trace. I ditched my LCP with crimson trace for it and never looked back.

https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/...s-ruger-lcp-ii

[WillBrink]

Until they chamber this gun in 9mm, I’m stuck with .380.

While I prefer my Sig P360, it is much harder to conceal with shorts and a tee shirt.

Dude, there's a bunch of 9mm pistols just slightly larger and easy as easy can be to deep conceal in shorts and T which I do in FL year round.