Shot Show 2022

[recon]

So are we going to see any great stuff posted here on from the shot show?

[Flint_Ironstag]

Guess the Corps don't get theirs.

[Sam]

Palmetto State bought the H&R company and rights to make retro Vietnam era AR15 ! My credit card is ready to go. Complete guns to be available late this year, price has not been announced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX0kEurikfg

[Diamondback]

Palmetto State bought the H&R company and rights to make retro Vietnam era AR15 ! My credit card is ready to go. Complete guns to be available late this year, price has not been announced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX0kEurikfg

For a confidence builder, H&R is being run as a sister company under JJE Capital separate from Palmetto--this is part of why JJE bought NoDak Spud, an instant boost of Retro Cred from the NDS line with Mike from NDS now CEO of the business-unit to provide a skilled and steady hand at the helm.

[CRAMBONE]

Seems like a lot of new night time stuff was released, but all of the stuff I’ve seen is pricey no budget stuff. I’m kinda interested in the PSA 5.7 pistol. Oh and some pretty cool bolt guns.

[Caduceus]

I'm kind of underwhelmed. Didn't go, since I'm not industry, but the IG accounts of a lot of folks were very ho-hum.

So .... someone that was there, please correct me! I'd love to see some new stuff, that isn't just rehashed stuff. PSA is interesting, Aimpoint made another cheaper RDS, LMT has pistols and TNVC made more binoculars. Did I miss anything?

[1168]

Almost as powerful as a 9mm with two more rounds in the mag. Have we learned nothing from 357 SIG?

what do these two sentences have in common?

What about the new long stroke recoil “AR-10”?

Who’s doing that?

[Dutch110]

what do these two sentences have in common?

357 SIG was developed to cover a gap between the 9mm and the 40. Which it did for a brief period of time until 9mm +P+ hit the scene. Much in the same way the 30 Super Carry is trying to cover the gap between 380 and 9mm. I loved the 357 SIG for a brief period of time but eventually went back to 9mm. As a side note I also think the branding, defining it as a SIG cartridge, also did not help its overall adoption. If they had called it the 9mm Magnum it would have grown some legs. Nobody (except Glock) wants to cross brand their models based on caliber.

[SteyrAUG]

357 SIG was developed to cover a gap between the 9mm and the 40. Which it did for a brief period of time until 9mm +P+ hit the scene. Much in the same way the 30 Super Carry is trying to cover the gap between 380 and 9mm. I loved the 357 SIG for a brief period of time but eventually went back to 9mm. As a side note I also think the branding, defining it as a SIG cartridge, also did not help its overall adoption. If they had called it the 9mm Magnum it would have grown some legs. Nobody (except Glock) wants to cross brand their models based on caliber.

So to start 9mm +P+ existed long before anyone dreamed up .357 SIG. Then .357SIG has much higher muzzle velocities than .40, the fastest .40 can't catch the slowest .357 SIG. Additionally HK and several other manufacturers chambered for the .357 SIG.

It was the fact that the Glock in .40 was adopted in huge numbers that let it own the market over .357 SIG and 10mm and not the actual ballistic performance. They were also all three being driven on the civilian side my a 10 round magazine limitation law.

[Dutch110]

So to start 9mm +P+ existed long before anyone dreamed up .357 SIG. Then .357SIG has much higher muzzle velocities than .40, the fastest .40 can't catch the slowest .357 SIG. Additionally HK and several other manufacturers chambered for the .357 SIG.

It was the fact that the Glock in .40 was adopted in huge numbers that let it own the market over .357 SIG and 10mm and not the actual ballistic performance. They were also all three being driven on the civilian side my a 10 round magazine limitation law.

I see from your profile pic you are late for a meeting with The Bobs so I will keep this short

Definitely could have worded it better concerning the +P+ I should have said advancements in that load put it on par with the 357SIG. Think Buffalo Bore pushing 500 ft lbs at 1400 fps or so comes to mind with an expansion over .50. Underwood was another one.

As for adoption, who else other than HK, Glock and Sig chambered in that round (that's an honest question because I don't recall.) HKs were impossible to find (I put conversion barrel in my USP 40 and recall it was like finding a unicorn.) I had to special order my G32 and G33 (which I carried both for years) as none of my LGS's stocked the caliber. I think the only one I saw in a gun case on a regular basis was the Sig. I do think the more realistic route people took to sample that round was putting conversion barrels in their current 40 cal guns but thats just a guess on my part.

Given the 40 came out in 1990 in large part due to the FBI looking for a more powerful carry round after the 86 Miami shootout I think it was a foregone conclusion when they adopted it as the "solution" to the underpowered 9mm that the public and manufacturers were going to follow suit. Especially Glock who I believe had the FBI contract back then? Followed by PDs across the country. Essentially I am agreeing with you but also think, at least for me, the ballistic advantage shrunk over time due to round development which made the additional cost of the 357 SIG not worth it for someone like me and my buddies who like to shoot a lot. For the guy who carries and then only takes it out for practice once a year? Not so much. I see the same thing happening with this cartridge.