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    Quote Originally Posted by okie View Post
    I can relate to 100% of this. I think the disconnect is that half the people in this thread are shooting at public ranges under very controlled conditions, and the other half...maybe not shooting much at all. Maybe reading a bunch of tactical magazines and watching a lot of youtube.
    Alright, you're trolling us right? This is some big joke right? This can't be real.

    You're coming off as if you know something that others don't. But you don't. You don't know how to use modern tools that have been proven time and time again to make us better, faster, and more efficient shooters. You like antiquated and outdated stuff? Cool. You like being a slow, oh I mean "methodical" shooter? Cool. But don't act like it beats being better, because it doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkslinger View Post
    Do you think that’s more due to the ring on the eotech? I can’t imagine it’s the size of the glass between the two. For me, I as my eyes age, I’m starting to like the eotech over my Aimpoints for the very reason of the outer ring. I have an eotech on a cz scorpion micro, and I manly use the ring for all my shots unless I’m going for a very accurate shot then I’ll use the dot. I might have to put it on one of my rifles and see if there is a quantifiable difference
    I think it's a open plane lens vs. a optic in a tube. For me red dots like EOs are just much faster and they let me watch more of my environment. Even with 1x magnification, with things like Acogs and AImpoints, I tend to live inside the scope tube.
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    I'm fond of irons. I have a good deal of point shooting experience, and you would be surprised that it's faster than RDS and Irons. I like the Eotech holosight over a RDS for speed, it just works better. It also helps with RDS distortion issues. I have more confidence in a true holosight when working angles. It also helps with point shooting because it tracks at all angles versus requiring a strict cheek weld. I would imagine this is a bigger issue with thermals and light intensifiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    I think it's a open plane lens vs. a optic in a tube. For me red dots like EOs are just much faster and they let me watch more of my environment. Even with 1x magnification, with things like Acogs and AImpoints, I tend to live inside the scope tube.
    I'm an Aimpoint guy due to the battery life and durability. But I'm a hair faster on Vortex Hueys and Eotechs than I am on an Aimpoint for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okie View Post
    Interesting! I've never timed myself, but I feel like I'm about the same. I mostly focus on being methodical more than fast, and making sure that my technique is solid all the way through. I set up targets around my property and practice using the terrain as cover and shooting through gaps in the grass and stuff like that. It's a lot different than just standing on a firing line and shooting at a target. A lot of the time you don't even have eyes on the target because you're shooting through the weeds. That's one thing I practiced a lot this fall was approaching the target until I could see its head, then getting low and taking the shot through the weeds using the terrain as cover and weeds as concealment. If, upon seeing the threat, you simply crouch down in a normal stance, you instantly conceal yourself and have shots on steel before that hypothetical person could walk forward enough to get you back in their sights. Then you can go to kneeling and be completely covered by the terrain, retreat to cover under concealment, etc. VERY good skill to have because in any realistic scenario there's always that moment where you encounter the threat, and if you have that technique down then you don't necessarily have to be faster on the draw. If that other person hasn't practiced that they're going to either shoot wildly in your general direction, run away to cover, or try and advance on you to get you in their sights.

    I just don't feel like a shot timer is really applicable to that kind of thing. I'm not even really sure how you would use it in those scenarios. The whole point of the drill is that you yourself are surprised when you see the target. I mean of course you know approximately where it is, but you change it up so that exact moment when it becomes visible isn't predictable to you. The foliage changes so much throughout the seasons and just moving the targets a little bit or approaching from a slightly different angle means you get a lot of mileage out of it.
    I did it both ways because perception is just that, it's not always accurate.

    I think most people are faster with RDS, but I think most people learned iron sights only as a starting point and skipped right to RDS, or never really learned irons at all. So which do you suppose they'd be more efficient with.

    I have shot irons most of my life and it took me probably a year before I could shoot RDS anywhere near as well as irons. Now they are pretty close and outside factors actually determine which makes one faster vs. the other.

    With both, RDS or irons, the one thing that makes me a much faster and more accurate shooter is a good weapon light. That is more important to me than anything. Night time, poorly lit parking garage or anything of that sort...weapon light is the one I think about.

    There have been a few place so dark I cannot even see iron sights, and in low light conditions your RDS can easily drown out what you are trying to see. This is why projected red dots are still not completely dead, in low light they offer a great reference point, won't give you an absolute zero but they will probably be on target for anything 50 yards and inside depending upon the mounted location.

    Quote Originally Posted by okie View Post
    I can relate to 100% of this. I think the disconnect is that half the people in this thread are shooting at public ranges under very controlled conditions, and the other half...maybe not shooting much at all. Maybe reading a bunch of tactical magazines and watching a lot of youtube.
    If nothing else, Florida gave me lots of real world opportunity to take hand guns and long guns into a lot of different environments. Early on you figure out your current weapon set up kind of sucks. I started out with a lot of things that sounded like they'd be great.

    Once upon a time my HD gun was a HK91. I chose it because I probably had the most range time with that than anything else so logic seemed to dictate it was my best candidate. Practical application concerns soon overrode strong familiarity and performance.

    Then I got my first AK (actually an AKM) and the mythology convinced me that this was my "one carbine that does it all" firearm. A couple real world confrontations realigned my thinking and the limitations on a stock AKM became obvious.

    I shitcanned shotguns of all kinds, many handguns and a few more unsuitable rifles and carbines before arriving at Colt 6945, Colt 6933, HK MP5, SIG P226T, HK P7 (discrete carry) and a Glock 19.

    I'm comfortable enough now that I probably could roll a AKM if it was correctly set up as a fighting carbine, but I still know better options exist and if they are available that is what I'm doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag View Post
    Alright, you're trolling us right? This is some big joke right? This can't be real.
    Well when you have a lot of people saying things that don't mesh with reality...you know, makes you start to wonder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade04 View Post
    I have been shooting with iron sights for over 55 years. To me, that is one of the fundamentals that people need to do.
    It's like driving a manual transmission. You don't HAVE TO be able to, but you're kind of a joke if you can't do it if you had to.
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    I went to RD's because I can't see shit. Stayed because they are faster for me.
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    Fixed irons with a prims or holo sight. If magnified like my AGOG or 1-6, **** irons. Astigmatism FTL


    I like FSBs on most of my guns and 2 have chopped carry handle rears. Guess im livin in 2005. Then again im only 35.
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    I have a few with hard sights as well as my earlier military time w/ them. No problem and these days, a bit nostalgic. But assorted optics certainly have their place and are more than appreciated.

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