Undersea Cable Cut in Norway

[pinzgauer]

KT Mcfarland (ex Nat security advisor) indicating any NATO response is just posturing as Germany is too dependent on Russia fuel and without Germany NATO will not act.

Outlined and interesting anecdote with Trump, Angela Merkel, and the previous Ukraine scenario. Where Merkel wanted to know what the US was going to do about Ukraine and he said "what are you going to do about it... it's in your neighborhood!"

Of course, the answer was nothing.

Her fairly well informed view: Putting troops in adjacent countries increases tensions but will not stop an invasion. We have no meaningful sanctions left as we approved Nord pipeline 2. So Biden will likely annex Ukraine via hybrid and or active warfare.

[chuckman]

DOD put 8,500 on alert, the 82nd is preparing to leave within 72 hours, a Marine Corps MAGTF is in the region as are our boats and SOF. I imagine a CTF is steaming that way.

[utahjeepr]

Putin has way to much invested in this to walk away empty handed. He's got the real costs, the internal political capitol, and the international ill will that he has already generated. He's gonna have to show a return.

I'm guessing he is at the very least gonna attempt to gain a land route to Crimea. He may try for as much of the Black Sea coastline as he can get. Depends on how much resistance he gets, militarily and politically.

You know damn well he has his eyes on the Suwalke cooridor longterm but I think that is a bridge too far right now. He desperately wants a land link to Kaliningrad but that ain't gonna happen. I believe at the outside he's gonna reach for the Dnepr and the southern coast of Ukraine. Depends though. He may be willing to throw Belarus to the butcher if he thinks he can make it pay.

[Scrubber3]

What's the consensus on China stepping in to the ring to help Russia should a war break out? I personally don't think they will but could support them on a logistical basis. Transport, fuel, Intel, etc..

Will NK follow suit? Pakistan? Will India give the go ahead to clash with China full on?

Me thinks if this escalates, WW3 is a certainty.

Better hard copy your files and pile up some fire wood if we get too involved.

[tgizzard]

This is a European problem, let them figure it out amongst themselves. Seriously. Also while we’re at; let’s bring manufacturing back within our borders right after we seal them shut. Then let’s make some sort of doctrine about not crossing lines or else ….

At this point I say let the world burn and this time not come to put the fires out. If anyone try’s to drag us into it we rain holy hell down on them as a warning to everyone else.

Oh and as our final world act before leaving these dummies on their own, let’s ship Brandon and his friends to the Ukraine. You know since they seem to want to be involved over there and all.


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[utahjeepr]

I just find it funny that the cable for the sub detection was cut by a sub ? why did they not detect it and stop it ?

It mentioned that they have data on it but that they are not publicly releasing that info.

[yoni]

I was against the USA doing anything, but things are spinning out of control.

With the recent moves by Russia it is clear that Putin is going to try and take over all of the Ukraine. I don't much give a damn about the Ukraine, but if Putin goes after the whole country then we must fight. For not to fight will invite a Chinese attack on Taiwan. We may still get an attack on Taiwan.

But potentially the stupidest thing the USA could do is to cut Russia off from SWIFT, for then Russia and China may create an alternative to SWIFT which many other countries just might join.

The biggest danger to the USA is a cyber attack on our electrical grid, which is not secure at all.

[SteyrAUG]

What's the consensus on China stepping in to the ring to help Russia should a war break out? I personally don't think they will but could support them on a logistical basis. Transport, fuel, Intel, etc..

Will NK follow suit? Pakistan? Will India give the go ahead to clash with China full on?

Me thinks if this escalates, WW3 is a certainty.

Better hard copy your files and pile up some fire wood if we get too involved.

Historically Russia and China are not hand holders. We might be closer allies to Russia than China. Commies don't lockstep globally like you think they might.

India and Paki are always wild cards.

[utahjeepr]

What's the consensus on China stepping in to the ring to help Russia should a war break out? I personally don't think they will but could support them on a logistical basis. Transport, fuel, Intel, etc..

Will NK follow suit? Pakistan? Will India give the go ahead to clash with China full on?

Me thinks if this escalates, WW3 is a certainty.

Better hard copy your files and pile up some fire wood if we get too involved.

I think your scenario is a bit over the top. Other players will certainly be watching. Looking to guage the reaction in the light of their own ambitions.

[glocktogo]

Biden’s saber rattling and moving chess pieces on the board are meaningless. Putin will take Ukraine and he knows Biden will not intervene militarily.

After all, Biden was in on the whole “greater flexibility” when the Obama Administration sat on their hands as Putin took Crimea. Biden reinforced this dithering position when in 2021, two of the very first things he did were shutting down Keystone XL and dropping ALL economic sanctions against Putin’s Nord Stream 2 pipeline to Germany.

Under the combined “leadership” of Obama and Biden, Putin was allowed to put an energy chokehold on Western Europe and by extension, NATO. This may well be the greatest political self-castration in modern history.

By extension, Taiwan will fall next. The US currently has the least amount of international influence we’ve had since before Pearl Harbor. Making matters worse is the fact that it wouldn’t take all that much shorting of the dollar to put us in a depression. Even if we started a Cold War with Russia and China simultaneously, we couldn’t cancel enough of our $30 TRILLION dollar debt on foreign holdings to make a difference.

Soft men make hard times.