Originally Posted by
FromMyColdDeadHand
Nope. The Russians are like a wolf eating a carcass and growling at you. I really wonder about peoples…. I don’t know how else to put it, intelligence? The Russians want Ukraine. They said they want Ukraine. They’re putting troops on the border to Ukraine. They’re already in Ukraine. Maybe if they hadn’t invaded Ukraine once before, maybe you could say well maybe they won’t do at this time.
And this crap about NATO threatening Russia, where the heck does that come from? The Soviets, the Russian Empire, the power that is residing in Moscow has always had designs on controlling Central and Eastern Europe. The fact of these countries don’t wanna be under that control means nothing? Maybe the southern states to just give in to the coastal elites, because you know that’s the way things should be.
Who lost the Cold War by the way?
Who is the threat to Russia? NATO? You mean the alliance that couldn’t tackle Afghanistan? Exactly who here thinks that Leopard and M1 tanks are going to be taking snap shots outside the Kremlin? Are you people listening to yourselves?
Russia is the rapist next door that is fingerbanging your wife, and has their junk out and people here are like.” Oh, he feels threatened because I have a BB gun and are protesting.
Sure, I’m the crazy one
Bro, I realize you've been taught to hate and distrust Russians your whole life, and that they've done plenty of things to justify that. I'm not sure I can disagree with you on that.
But if you can trust Russians to do one thing, it's to look after their best interests. And you can trust NATO to do one thing, and it's to do the same. The issue is that NATO doesn't like that Russia isn't playing to their tune. Whether right or wrong, that is the case. There really is no true right and wrong in international politics any more; there are only interests. It's simply in NATO's interests to weaken Russia, weaken Putin, and install a crony in his place that serves their interests. Surely that's not a difficult thing to imagine.
I don't believe that Putin thinks that NATO will actually attack. It's all posturing for the sake of internal propaganda purposes. And partially because he wants to show he ain't no punk.
Also surely, you're not so naive as to think everything NATO does is on the up and up, and that everything Russia does is sourced from the pit of hell. Politics are never that black and white, and probably never have been. Russia wants Ukraine, yes. But not to the degree that they're willing to sacrifice decades of stability in the region by taking it forcefully. Even if I were to grant you that the Russians are irredeemably evil, and that the NATO leadership is full of nothing but the purest of intentions, saying that the Russians are stupid enough to forcefully take Ukraine is a bridge too far.
Look at the above CNN report. The Ukrainian president told Bidet that he was full of crap for suggesting that Russians were coming. But you find yourself agreeing with the propaganda these thieves and liars are feeding you. Come on.
Last edited by georgeib; 01-27-22 at 22:22.
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