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[utahjeepr]

Well, to be fair to poopy pants (not that I wanna be) the writing has been on the wall for over a decade. Europe willingly put their head in the noose and congratulated themselves for doing so.

The real limiting factors on this are gonna be how much support we give Ukraine, their will to fight, and the spectacular ineptitude of the Russian miltary machine. The more Putin reaches for the more they will show the world how poorly they can execute a coordinated combat effort. Don't get me wrong they've got the hardware, just not the "software".

Honestly I hope the Ukraine puts up a hell of a fight. Russia has bled us plenty, by proxy, over the years. I wouldn't mind seeing them sending train loads of their boys home in crates. I just don't want any flag draped coffins on our side over this.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

This is a European problem, let them figure it out amongst themselves. Seriously. Also while we’re at; let’s bring manufacturing back within our borders right after we seal them shut. Then let’s make some sort of doctrine about not crossing lines or else ….

At this point I say let the world burn and this time not come to put the fires out. If anyone try’s to drag us into it we rain holy hell down on them as a warning to everyone else.

Oh and as our final world act before leaving these dummies on their own, let’s ship Brandon and his friends to the Ukraine. You know since they seem to want to be involved over there and all.


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When California burns, our air quality in Colorado sucks... Flames spread, winds blow, the fire comes for your house.

All I know is that all that time, money and tech that we dumped into DARPA better yield some next-level Whoop-ass that we can barely understand.

[SteyrAUG]

When California burns, our air quality in Colorado sucks... Flames spread, winds blow, the fire comes for your house.

All I know is that all that time, money and tech that we dumped into DARPA better yield some next-level Whoop-ass that we can barely understand.

Putin knows how to wait and when to act. Honestly I'm surprised it took him this long, we have a weak ass president who can't or won't be able to do anything meaningful. I suppose Putin is just gonna time it to coincide with the Olympics when he knows the world will be distracted or simply because it is now tradition to annex territory during the Olympics.

I'm completely sympathetic to the Ukraine. They've been getting screwed over since the days of Stalin until after the wall came down. There are also lots of Anna Kornikova looking girls over there that I really worry about.

But just as Obama was a paper tiger in Syria, this is not the time to do anything other than the standard "threats of sanctions" against Russia. If anything we should bribe them and promise to import X numbers of Izmash / Saiga rifles IF they knock it off already and stop f'ing around with the Ukraine.

Putin doesn't want a ground war with the US, but his past actions show he isn't afraid of the idea either.

[DG23]

It mentioned that they have data on it but that they are not publicly releasing that info.

They don't have shit. Can't do shit, and won't do shit.

Watch and see.



Pretty much the same will happen if China decide they are going to put the smack down on Taiwan. (We will not be able to do shit and will not do shit)

Why?


We are not about to fight any 'near-peer' adversary in their back yard.

[DG23]

this is not the time to do anything other than the standard "threats of sanctions" against Russia. If anything we should bribe them and promise to import X numbers of Izmash / Saiga rifles IF they knock it off already and stop f'ing around with the Ukraine.

Putin doesn't want a ground war with the US, but his past actions show he isn't afraid of the idea either.

Consider their national debt compared to ours.

Now consider how Russia and China (and others) have been steadily moving away from the US dollar as the currency they use in transactions and in the reserve currencies they buy and hold...

They do not want or 'need' our dollars.

[SteyrAUG]

Consider their national debt compared to ours.

Now consider how Russia and China (and others) have been steadily moving away from the US dollar as the currency they use in transactions and in the reserve currencies they buy and hold...

They do not want or 'need' our dollars.

If it wasn't completely clear, "sanctions" are a mostly meaningless, empty gesture and that is the limit of posturing that we should confine ourselves to, especially with the people currently in power.

[chuckman]

Consider their national debt compared to ours.

Now consider how Russia and China (and others) have been steadily moving away from the US dollar as the currency they use in transactions and in the reserve currencies they buy and hold...

They do not want or 'need' our dollars.

They need western dollars if they expect to sell POL products. That stuff moves on the US dollar as pertodollars. No, they don't need our money, but they can't operate in the world without it.

If it wasn't completely clear, "sanctions" are a mostly meaningless, empty gesture and that is the limit of posturing that we should confine ourselves to, especially with the people currently in power.

Sanctions really hurt everyone who is not in power or wealthy. It's worked a few times, but not worked far more.

[yoni]

Putin knows how to wait and when to act. Honestly I'm surprised it took him this long, we have a weak ass president who can't or won't be able to do anything meaningful. I suppose Putin is just gonna time it to coincide with the Olympics when he knows the world will be distracted or simply because it is now tradition to annex territory during the Olympics.

I'm completely sympathetic to the Ukraine. They've been getting screwed over since the days of Stalin until after the wall came down. There are also lots of Anna Kornikova looking girls over there that I really worry about.


Putin doesn't want a ground war with the US, but his past actions show he isn't afraid of the idea either.

Ukraine has been getting screwed for about 1500 years.

The place is just sad.

Some of the richest farm land in the world, still being worked with farm equipment from 1800 and horses.

Everybody drinks, I have been on a bus more than a few times and the driver was openly drinking vodka while driving. I have seen uniformed cops in a police car drinking vodka.

Then I made the mistake one night and stayed in a business hotel at the airport in Kyiv, the front door was revolving with those Ukrainian women you like so much. They all looked like crack heads or meth users to me while I sat in the lobby having a drink. The place was a disaster the walls were paper thin and the dudes on both side of me were having a party with multiple girls. By the way the hotel tried to rip me off for the drinks 2 Johnny Walker Blacks which was the best whiskey they had, I signed the bill which was $14 and gave them a tip with local currency. When the bill hit my credit card it was $374.

Ukraine is the most depressing place I have ever been, because it has so much potential but so much of the place is still in the 1800. For reference it upset me more than Sudan, and Haiti. The country in second place for depressing me is Ethiopia, very nice people but so much tyranny and war.

[chuckman]

Ukraine has been getting screwed for about 1500 years.

The place is just sad.

Some of the richest farm land in the world, still being worked with farm equipment from 1800 and horses.

Everybody drinks, I have been on a bus more than a few times and the driver was openly drinking vodka while driving. I have seen uniformed cops in a police car drinking vodka.

Then I made the mistake one night and stayed in a business hotel at the airport in Kyiv, the front door was revolving with those Ukrainian women you like so much. They all looked like crack heads or meth users to me while I sat in the lobby having a drink. The place was a disaster the walls were paper thin and the dudes on both side of me were having a party with multiple girls. By the way the hotel tried to rip me off for the drinks 2 Johnny Walker Blacks which was the best whiskey they had, I signed the bill which was $14 and gave them a tip with local currency. When the bill hit my credit card it was $374.

Ukraine is the most depressing place I have ever been, because it has so much potential but so much of the place is still in the 1800. For reference it upset me more than Sudan, and Haiti. The country in second place for depressing me is Ethiopia, very nice people but so much tyranny and war.

Agreed, with some. Ukraine has been getting the shaft for hundred and hundreds of years. Oil rich, strategically situated, coastal access and ports, a ton of rich, productive farmland. It'll always be a 'backwards' type of country. But the people are great, it's beautiful, and becoming popular with expats (not me...I would not want to live there).

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

The political cartoon that needs to be made is people labeled Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Hungry being marched by a German into a gas chamber plumbed to Russian natural gas line….