Is the Covid narrative falling apart?

[Five_Point_Five_Six]

On the hospital (or physicians) denying treatment thing, I’m not sure of all the legal details, but “our” side is generally against healthcare being a basic right in most other debates. Hard to have it both ways. Not all departments are emergency departments, bound by law to see all patients.

"Our" side is generally against taxpayer funded healthcare for folks that chose career and life paths that don't provide healthcare as a benefit of employment or the financial means to pay for it themselves. There's a big difference in that and refusing someone a kidney transplant because they didn't get the Fauci Ouchi.

[chuckman]

yeah the corrupted part the not going to take care of you etc... is INSANE can you imaging if EMS said sorry don't believe in your lifestyle not going to take care of you ! what would happen

in my past life when I would go to other countries often over a year at a time and be exposed to diseases in those countries that could happen we were always told do not get any pre shots for anything as throwing crap in your system that is not needed is not good for you ! if when get something deal with it locally since they know how to do that and its healthier that way

Well, you are commended (maybe?) for rolling the dice, but believe me there are plenty endemic diseases you want that vaccination before you get in-country. There are a lot of diseases out there that there are vaccinations for that locals just don't build up a tolerance to, they die from it as well.

It's one thing to get their version of the cold or inevitable GI bug, but malaria, yellow fever, cholera, those are game changers.

[jsbhike]

As to fake Covid cards… if you want to make a stand, just say **** covid cards. A fake card just says “I’m a poser that doesn’t stand for shit”. It’d be like dudes in Cali pretending to be liberal just to appease their neighbors.

Similar to people in totalitarian areas(Nazi Europe is a classic example) coming up with forged documents.

[Honu]

Well, you are commended (maybe?) for rolling the dice, but believe me there are plenty endemic diseases you want that vaccination before you get in-country. There are a lot of diseases out there that there are vaccinations for that locals just don't build up a tolerance to, they die from it as well.


It's one thing to get their version of the cold or inevitable GI bug, but malaria, yellow fever, cholera, those are game changers.

agree
we would consult with travel doctors that were known for that kinda stuff where we were going and ya know maybe if I was going to hit certain parts of the world they might have said get this or that such as part of Africa ? my travel was Central America Caribbean and the Nesias as I call em like Micronesia Indonesia etc.

also what was interesting is in Central America this guy would come around and you could buy whatever meds you needed wanted even without a doc if you had certain symptoms he knew what it was and would give ya stuff and cheap really cheap

had a few not so fun things

[lowprone]

Burning Bridges has always been considered a stupid strategy, it will come back to haunt them,
everybody is making lists.

[Averageman]

The lack of complex or even just competent or at least coherent govt policy is just crazy. GOV has a lot of power in a pandemic, but it is in relation to the threat. This was a threat- and an asymmetrical threat to the population. But it wasn’t Armageddon, thank God. We should have had a matrix of actions based on at least a few variables like age and health. Facebook can the tech companies can put together an individualized marketing plan for people, but we couldn’t have that same kind of tech lay out different courses for different horses.

Crazy. Incompetent…

This, a Thousand times this.
If I could pull one event out of my hat to leave for you as an example, I would submit the withdrawal from Afghanistan as the shining star of this Administration in its finest hour. They couldn't get a cohesive plan, couldn't come up with a working order, had no strategic plan for withdrawal, it was a Bums rush for the Airport and then try and hold off the people climbing over the walls.
These Guys publicly shamed us on an international level, and I have no idea why Ukraine would even ask for our help after that fiasco.

Just like Afghanistan there was no strategic plan for how to deal with Covid-19 and I really want to know why not?

[chuckman]

agree
we would consult with travel doctors that were known for that kinda stuff where we were going and ya know maybe if I was going to hit certain parts of the world they might have said get this or that such as part of Africa ? my travel was Central America Caribbean and the Nesias as I call em like Micronesia Indonesia etc.

also what was interesting is in Central America this guy would come around and you could buy whatever meds you needed wanted even without a doc if you had certain symptoms he knew what it was and would give ya stuff and cheap really cheap

had a few not so fun things

Yeah, some are are nasty bugs. And yet another shining example of vaccines that do not always work, I got the cholera vax, and I got cholera. Had giardia, too (but then there's no vaccine for that).

Lol, you can always find locals have access to black market in the legal drugs and can supply any pharmacy. If we didn't have it, sometimes I'll try to find that guy and get it.

[SomeOtherGuy]

Burning Bridges has always been considered a stupid strategy, it will come back to haunt them,
everybody is making lists.

Sometimes history rhymes. Preview of coming attractions:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Bleeding_Kansas

https://infogalactic.com/info/Partition_of_India

Not looking forward to it, not endorsing it, just predicting based on history and the current climate here. Covid-19 is far from the only major issue. Everyone knows the 2020 election was dubious, including all the Dems who "got" their candidate. The fall election is lining up for some states to have 300% fraud with expanded mail-in and illegal immigrant (de facto) voting, vs other states moving towards verification of ID and some of the necessary features of fair and honest elections. Congressmen elected in conservative states won't recognize congressxir from socialist states, and vice versa. Inflation is raging, the job market is weird, and there are disruptions everywhere.

[ABNAK]

Like chuckman alluded to, in his case he got a Cholera vax and still got Cholera. MANY people get the flu vax and still get the flu (maybe 40-60% effective?). The COVID vax and it's so-so "effectiveness"....not to mention the possibility of bad side effects and unknown long-term issues....is now becoming embarrassing to the People of Power, assuming they give a shit. It is going to be endemic, and we will have to live with it. As the next few years go by they will [hopefully] come up with better and more widespread treatments, instead of ramming the vax down everyone's throats.

What I label as criminal is the Feds stopping the production of monoclonal antibodies. First off, it's a blatant effort to further push the vax: "Well, it looks like you don't have any choice but to get the vaccine." I'm not knocking Ivermectin and those similar products but monoclonal antibodies were/are the shiznit. It's a treatment, not a prophylactic. Second, who the hell are the Feds to stop a private company from producing a legal product? Further, why couldn't a state or even a person buy however much they wanted? I know why, and a number of people should swing for it ------> it's a crime IMHO.

[Co-gnARR]

This is where I really started distancing myself from 'them' with regard to my own career. I have told people, don't lump me in with them. That's so unethical and so immoral that I have no words.

When the pro-vax, pro-we-don't-want-them 'colleagues' have tried to 'talk sense into me', I said "sorry...30 years of being in shitty 3rd world countries and treating dying ebola patients and AIDS patients and holding their skeletal kids' bodies in my arms, here in the states as a paramedic giving my last dollar to a homeless man, treating people who hold socio-political values 180 degrees from my own, working as a RN in the ED treating people with compassion who are throwing their own shit at me because I know they have not taken their meds for a month...my values tell me I am taking care of people who need it, not who some people think they may or may not deserve it."

Yeah, this is my 0-100 in 2 seconds hot topic button.....

My friend, you espouse the Hippocratic Oath. Those 'colleagues' of yours attempting to educate you have taken the "Hypocritic Oath". Don't ever change- you are on the right path. I know you know this, but it bears repeating. Don't ever change- you are on the right path.