Army picks SIG to produce Next Generation Squad Weapon

[1168]

Guess I should’ve trimmed the quote more, I was talking about 855A1 specifically since that’s what we’ve used for some time.


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And its excellent general-issue ammo, despite my early skepticism, back when I was shooting 70gr.

Good lord, what's wrong with just getting off-the-shelf improvements? Do they hate their 5.56 ARs as much as their M9s?

A week ago two young (ish, both are Mustangs) Officers and I were at a range marveling at how far the M4 has come and how the M4A1/M68/M855A1 that even many reservists have is the best general-issue weapon ever fielded by any army to date. The improvements over time have made it go from “that’ll do” to really good. COTS and COTS-based upgrades in SOF have really made it an unprecedented study in excellency.

[Alpha-17]

That Sig's offering was selected is hardly surprising; that writing has been on the wall for some time. The real interesting bit was that a selection was made, and watching the interwebz reaction to it. I tend to expect, like others, that this will go the way of the XM8. That said, I really find the "No, mY 5.56 aR iS pErFeCt!" crowd to be amusing. There has been a push for well over a decade for a larger caliber for matters of range, "stopping power" and effectiveness against armor. That the Army picked something based on that idea shouldn't come as too much of a shock. With no hands-on experience with either the caliber or the rifle in question, I will hold judgment on whether or not it's a cool way to achieve the desired results or just another wasted program. I'm far more concerned with the chamber pressures and worn-out barrels than the weight and increased recoil.

Side note, anyone know if conversion kits will be practical to let older 7.62 NATO weapons use the new cartridge? The 240 family on the .mil side comes to mind, but so does a rash of AR-10s, SCAR Hs, Hk 417s, etc that could impact both civilian and military customers.

[C-grunt]

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Side note, anyone know if conversion kits will be practical to let older 7.62 NATO weapons use the new cartridge? The 240 family on the .mil side comes to mind, but so does a rash of AR-10s, SCAR Hs, Hk 417s, etc that could impact both civilian and military customers.

An article i read, i believe Soldier Systems, said there are 240 conversion kits.

[Slater]

SIG's official announcement:

https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/us-arm...weapons-system

[454308]

That sentiment goes back to the 1960s when the M16 was first fielded. I tend to agree with Boringguy45. Another idea that won't likely go anywhere.

I'm unaware of any 6.8 round that is in any way an improvement over 5.56. Granted M855 is a mediocre round at best, but a simple switch to Mk262 would be massively wiser than anything 6.8

We played with 6.8 very briefly, and it makes no sense. Might as well just go 300 worthless.

Try some Berger 130gr with a windowed mag. It'll give you a good long range challenge.

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[zack991]

I am surprised at 80K pressure for the round and how doesn't that wear parts out faster. I would have assumed they would go with other off the shelf choices for ammo vs this hybrid case design. Sig claims they have steel inserts that are changeable for unit armors to do instead of sending them into sig for repairs.

[Slater]

Wonder if LoneStar Future Weapons will lodge a protest? Those seem fairly routine these days.

[Hammer_Man]

I’m pretty sure in 10 years all of you naysayers will be arguing over a chart listing the attributes of all the 277 chambered MCX Spear clones on the market.

[Pasta123]

And its excellent general-issue ammo, despite my early skepticism, back when I was shooting 70gr.


A week ago two young (ish, both are Mustangs) Officers and I were at a range marveling at how far the M4 has come and how the M4A1/M68/M855A1 that even many reservists have is the best general-issue weapon ever fielded by any army to date. The improvements over time have made it go from “that’ll do” to really good. COTS and COTS-based upgrades in SOF have really made it an unprecedented study in excellency.

So far, only the Army is thinking about replacing the 5.56, is that correct?

I’m pretty sure in 10 years all of you naysayers will be arguing over a chart listing the attributes of all the 277 chambered MCX Spear clones on the market.

Meh. I don't trust anything that relates to Milley.

[B52U]

I’m pretty sure in 10 years all of you naysayers will be arguing over a chart listing the attributes of all the 277 chambered MCX Spear clones on the market.

This is the truth right here.