Super high rise optics----thoughts?

[The Dumb Gun Collector]

Hey guys,


I keep noticing that sights keep going higher and higher. My understanding is that this is because the High Speed guys started using more passive night vision options so they don't want to try and get a cheek weld with all that gear on their heads. But Now people seem to be doing it on guns and they really aren't running NVG. Is this just a style thing or are people really seeing a benefit to this? I remember people used to freak out when people would run RMRs on top of ACOGs but now that seems like a regular height over bore for some folks. Aren't these setups suboptimal in terms of offset?

[Wake27]

The highest I’ve gone was 1.93 and that was with an LPVO. I liked it but when Badger did the 1.7, I found that to be perfect. So I’m speaking out of turn since I haven’t tried higher.

At best, I think it’s a very niche thing. Probably, within that niche, there’s legitimacy. But I also think that some of it is bro/brand crushes and people thinking that if former DEVGRU guys use it, then it must be good for them too. Maybe, maybe not.

Either way, I know that being able to see and shoot through a VTAC well is more practical to me than having a 17” high dot and 15” high laser.


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[opngrnd]

Depends how you prefer to shoot. I've gravitated to 1.93 in RDS and LPVO. Bone structure, type of ear pro, etc also play a part.

[Sidneyious]

shoot through a VTAC

Those small holes dont exist in nature, not like im trying to shoot something under the door of my bedroom.

[GTF425]

Disregard.

[Wake27]

Those small holes dont exist in nature, not like im trying to shoot something under the door of my bedroom.

I don’t know the reason for them but since it was designed by VTAC, I bet there was a reason.

Even if not, I shoot VTACs way more than anything in my house.


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[titsonritz]

Those small holes dont exist in nature, not like im trying to shoot something under the door of my bedroom.

What about under a vehicle?

[Hank6046]

What about under a vehicle?

Agreed, I shoot through certain fence posts and low pine branches that maybe isn't a small hole but is a small space to work with. The environment you work in dictates quite a bit.

[ST911]

The taller mounts allow a more head-up, anatomically correct posture that is less fatiguing. Many users won't have the problem or see that benefit and other mounts work fine for them. You can tease out some of that difference by holding shooters with lower mounts in position(s), watch for heads to lift and/or rifles to rise in the the shoulder pocket to let the head come up.

The VTAC barricade is an outstanding device to force a variety of strong and support side positional and sighting changes. Useful work for everyone in general, even if you're not shooting through gaps in brick walls in war torn countries, using weird cover, or contorting around barricades in gun games.

[Defaultmp3]

Hey guys,


I keep noticing that sights keep going higher and higher. My understanding is that this is because the High Speed guys started using more passive night vision options so they don't want to try and get a cheek weld with all that gear on their heads. But Now people seem to be doing it on guns and they really aren't running NVG. Is this just a style thing or are people really seeing a benefit to this? I remember people used to freak out when people would run RMRs on top of ACOGs but now that seems like a regular height over bore for some folks. Aren't these setups suboptimal in terms of offset?

RMR piggybacked on ACOG height-over-rail is roughly 2.85", which is still a substantial jump over the 2.26"(Unity FAST) and 2.33" (KAC Skyscraper) heights that have gained ground.

Tall mounts in general tend to give you a more natural head position, as you're now more heads-up. They also allow for better interfacing with pro masks and passive aiming under NODs. Beyond that, they also allow one to sink the stock lower into the shoulder pocket to allow for better recoil management.

For my body and face structure, while I could passively aim under NODs without too much difficulty with a 1.93" mount, adding in a pro mask made it rather awkward again, particularly when paired with NODs. At 2.26", NODs with pro mask wasn't too bad at all.