It has to make it a lot worse when you actually run right into the mortar.Originally Posted by mack7.62
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It has to make it a lot worse when you actually run right into the mortar.
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One reason Ukraine artillery is kicking ass is GIS, a program similar to Uber that collects data from different sources and then assigns targets to nearest artillery. With this system and Starlink guns can also be distributed. So basically with this system Ukraine can set up a TOT on a target from individual howitzers, mortars, drones, or whatever is within range and do it very quickly. Russian counter battery can't locate a worthwhile target because you have shells coming in from different directions and different weapons at the same time.
http://www.thelowdownblog.com/2022/0...off-shelf.html
The Reason Ukraine's Use of Off-Shelf Software Is Destroying Russia's Military
The 2009 AFATDS transitioned from a Sun Microsystems SPARC computer running the Linux kernel to a version based on laptop computers running the Microsoft Windows operating system. GIS Art for Artillery, or "GIS Art" for short, isn't the 1950's "Star" style Mainframe-terminal (TACFIRE) or Mainframe-Minicomputer-terminal (AFTADS) ported over to laptops.
It is a true distributed software environment that reduced request for fire to trigger pull from ...20 minutes to 30 seconds.
By comparison, the US Army did that call to trigger pull in 5 minutes in WW2, 15 minutes in Vietnam and one hour currently.
No, that isn't a typo. The increased US Army time 'from call to trigger pull' has to do trying to prevent friendly fire plus the inclusion of JAG officers in Division artillery fire control centers doing rules of engagement/collateral damage vetting of calls for fire. In 2006, when US Army Special Forces task force hunting high value targets was given direct access to an MLRS battery with GMLRS rockets - without a JAG officer poisoned chain of command - got it back down to Vietnam 15-minute levels in Iraq, thanks to the Blue Force Tracker. This didn't last long with the Obama Administration thanks to Taliban high value targets using their own kids as human shields followed by cellphone photos of dead kids.
Then everything went back to the JAG officer game & the Special Forces started buying loitering drones.
Returning to the "GIS Arta" app, (GIS meaning geospatial) it has evolved into a multi-profile command and control system that can process data from drones, smartphones, rangefinders and commercial satellite images.Ukraine has a lot of earth observation/GIS (geospatial) talent. When my previous employer in Silicon Valley wanted to create a remote office to hire GIS analysts, they chose Kyiv. Abundance of well trained talent. Must serve them well wrt drones etc
This has a lot of implications. The biggest being that with a good SATCOM (STARLINK) link Ukrainian high command could nominate targets in the the "GIS Arta" app to the nearest fire support, drone or convoy hunter killer teams throughout the entire Ukrainian battle space without tipping local units to intelligence sources & methods.
Western Intelligence is either ignorant or discounts the "GIS Arta" app because of a CROWDSTRIKE cybersecurity firm December 22, 2016 article claiming the Russians hacked "GIS Arta."And that the "Fancy Bear" group used the same hacking method to to get into the DNC.
The problem is that hacking of the "GIS Arta" app CROWDSTRIKE claimed never happened.
There was also the fact the barrage looked wrong. And by looked wrong I mean it was all landing in one spot with explosions indicating shells from radically different azimuths. It was kinda, sorta, a time on target (TOT) from lots of individual guns.
The thing that stood out was the timing of the barrages, the tightness of the barrages and the variability of the shell bursts. UA artillery were not firing as batteries. They were firing as individual guns and launchers, then displacing immediately.
Multiple individual guns & mortars of different calibers were shooting dispersed across a large area at the same target in the TOT manner.
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This one Ukrainian soldier doesn't even flinch. Pure luck they weren't hit.
"Despite seeing several videos of modern trench warfare, the angle of this footage paints a different picture. Throughout my life and even my own military career, I always wondered how terrifying trench warfare would be. Sure, we can watch historical footage from World War 2 to get a rough depiction of how life in the trenches were, but nothing will beat footage like this. With modern technology and social media platforms being easily accessible, EVERYONE can now see how difficult, terrifying, and horrid battling an enemy in trench combat really is."
Ukrainian Soldiers Use Under-Barrel Grenade Launchers To Defend Trench
https://funker530.com/video/ukrainia...defend-trench/
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That's quite the weapons system now in play apparently:
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Videos are starting to come out of the M777's in use, also reports that they were used to hit the Russian bridging operation.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status...27241676947456
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#Ukraine: The Ukrainian army is currently actively utilizing in combat recently supplied M777A2 howitzers. Oshkosh FMTV M1083 trucks, which are used to tow the howitzers, were also donated by the US.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...49916961464320
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Ukrainian soldier says that the Ukrainian side used freshly delivered American M777 howitzers to smash 70+ Russian military vehicles to pieces as they tried to cross the Siverskyi Donets River on May 9th.
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Visually impressive barrage on the steelworks in Mariupol not sure how effective.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...94666209214469
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Russian forces raining down thermite on Azovstal today.
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Some kind of cluster, or something like that exploding penetrator warhead that we use? Doesn't seem like it would be that effective at this stage? Probably better as a counter battery or massed troops target?
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It burns, kind of like WP I believe.
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Not WP, WP produces a lot of white smoke which is why it is used for marking rounds.
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If you've seen some of the Ukraine drone bomber videos showing them dropping anti-tank grenades with 3D printed tail fins or RPG rounds here is the Russian version, a hand grenade in a plastic cup. i think Ukraine is winning the drone wars.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1526187528868573184
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Video of a Russian UAV dropping a grenade (RGD-5?) in a plastic cup on Ukrainian positions.
https://t.me/romanov_92/14944
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