US Navy Littorals are cracking.

[Diamondback]

ISTR we didn't have problems like this with the Fletchers and Sumners we flooded the world's oceans with during WWII...

[1168]

How our military can be an effective fighting force with shoddy made gear, lowered standards and the limp wristed peckerwoods, Id like to know. Do the high-ups think they can overcome this with technology? At SOME point theyve got to have MEN ready to put rounds downrange and if need be, fix bayonets, so to speak.

Did you get this from a talk show, or personal experience?

[HKGuns]

An article on MSN, consider the source.

[Straight Shooter]

Did you get this from a talk show, or personal experience?

talk show.

[1168]

talk show.

Roger. I’d appreciate if you’d refrain from calling my dudes limp-wristed whatevers.

[Straight Shooter]

Roger. I’d appreciate if you’d refrain from calling my dudes limp-wristed whatevers.

I guarantee they all, every single one, aren't. You know what I'm talking about man, cmon.
Standards for about everything HAVE been lowered, that piss poor ship is yet another example of shoddy issued crap, and I've already heard from the horses mouth about the " quality" and lack thereof of many of the recruits who thought military life was for them
I'd love to have them go back in time and experience the stuff I went thru in the Corps, it would be a shit show for sure for most. Some, thankfully, would thrive Im sure.
Props to you & your men. Semper Fi.

[1168]

I guarantee they all, every single one, aren't. You know what I'm talking about man, cmon.
Standards for about everything HAVE been lowered, that piss poor ship is yet another example of shoddy issued crap, and I've already heard from the horses mouth about the " quality" and lack thereof of many of the recruits who thought military life was for them
I'd love to have them go back in time and experience the stuff I went thru in the Corps, it would be a shit show for sure for most. Some, thankfully, would thrive Im sure.
Props to you & your men. Semper Fi.

I dunno dude. I perceive the current gen of Soldiers to be pretty good. I think you’re doing the age-old generation thing, where we praise the old guard and vilify the young. Sure, there are differences, but it balances out. The Army is primarily composed of good Soldiers, and many absolutely kick ass. And for weapons, vehicles, and equipment, we’ve got better than we ever had back in the day. Shit, look at a squad of 0311s today, and lust after the vast improvement in gear they’ve gotten over the last decade or so. The USMC has probably had the most improvement of any branch in the last decade, even if I don’t agree with all of the changes.

The Army went from taking a non-tactical vehicle and bolting armor on it to make a wide variety of non-uniform deathtrap wannabe APCs to the JLTV, which isn’t perfect, but its a huge step up. They went from ragged out M16s to M4a1s. Shelter halves to Lightfighters. Stuffing a ****ing ratchet strap and some gauze and needles into a canteen pouch to a fully mature IFAK. You get the idea.

I suspect that a lot of this applies to the Navy, as well. I know they have problems. Expensive problems. But I still think our Navy is pretty badass. I’d put money on them defeating any other navy on the seas. I mean, shit, Russias navy hasn’t won a battle since before the American Civil War, and their only aircraft carrier is in drydock due to shoddy Russian reasons. And their next most important surface ship is…subsurface due to massive incompetence.

If this new ship is a lemon, that sucks. But I think you are off target in your above assessment of the DoD as a whole.

[glocktogo]

I dunno dude. I perceive the current gen of Soldiers to be pretty good. I think you’re doing the age-old generation thing, where we praise the old guard and vilify the young. Sure, there are differences, but it balances out. The Army is primarily composed of good Soldiers, and many absolutely kick ass. And for weapons, vehicles, and equipment, we’ve got better than we ever had back in the day. Shit, look at a squad of 0311s today, and lust after the vast improvement in gear they’ve gotten over the last decade or so. The USMC has probably had the most improvement of any branch in the last decade, even if I don’t agree with all of the changes.

The Army went from taking a non-tactical vehicle and bolting armor on it to make a wide variety of non-uniform deathtrap wannabe APCs to the JLTV, which isn’t perfect, but its a huge step up. They went from ragged out M16s to M4a1s. Shelter halves to Lightfighters. Stuffing a ****ing ratchet strap and some gauze and needles into a canteen pouch to a fully mature IFAK. You get the idea.

I suspect that a lot of this applies to the Navy, as well. I know they have problems. Expensive problems. But I still think our Navy is pretty badass. I’d put money on them defeating any other navy on the seas. I mean, shit, Russias navy hasn’t won a battle since before the American Civil War, and their only aircraft carrier is in drydock due to shoddy Russian reasons. And their next most important surface ship is…subsurface due to massive incompetence.

If this new ship is a lemon, that sucks. But I think you are off target in your above assessment of the DoD as a whole.

That may well be, but stuff like this doesn't exactly instill confidence:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-obsolete.html

US Navy scraps NINE anti-submarine warships that cost $3.2 billion to make - some under three years old - because their technology is already obsolete
Navy will decommission its entire fleet of Freedom-class combat warships
Four of the $3.2bn fleet set for scrap heap were commissioned in 2019 and 2020
Anti-submarine system 'did not work out technically', naval operations chief said
Ships 'incredibly expensive and [lack] the capabilities we expected': Rep. Smith
Added: 'They're not ready to do anything... When they are, they still break down'
USS St Louis, launched in August 2020, will serve just three years of 25-year life
Scrappings will save $391 million as US Navy plans new shipbuilding program
Crews at Naval Station Mayport, Florida will have to wait for new ships to arrive
Chinese Navy is set to count 460 warships by 2030, becoming world's largest

Coming on top of the Litter Ships, it really does beg the question, WTF is going on with Navy procurement? Do they have any vision at all? It also begs the question, how many Navy Admirals do we need to fire, in order to save $3.2BN???

[markm]

This thread just happens to have a military craft as the example. But it's cars, appliances, the space shuttles, etc.

America's lazy, fat, union, corner cutting, quick buck, work from home culture of worthlessness is exhausting. Other than Colt or BCM, I can't think of many American products with any sort of moving parts, that I can say isn't complete shit.

[Defaultmp3]

That may well be, but stuff like this doesn't exactly instill confidence:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-obsolete.html



Coming on top of the Litter Ships, it really does beg the question, WTF is going on with Navy procurement? Do they have any vision at all? It also begs the question, how many Navy Admirals do we need to fire, in order to save $3.2BN???

The Freedom class is part of the LCS program, bruh.

This thread just happens to have a military craft as the example. But it's cars, appliances, the space shuttles, etc.

America's lazy, fat, union, corner cutting, quick buck, work from home culture of worthlessness is exhausting. Other than Colt or BCM, I can't think of many American products with any sort of moving parts, that I can say isn't complete shit.

SpaceX? Boeing?