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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtrock82 View Post
    We shouldn't be surprised since the purpose of weapons these days is more about lining the pockets of those selling them rather than their actual value on the battlefield to the buyer and user.

    I bet they get more value out of their flailing helicopter fleet than we will with our littoral combat ships.

    I almost laughed at the idea of the Russians potentially calling their helicopters "unsafe". Is there even a Russian word for "unsafe"?

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    These days? Did you read "War is a racket" ?

    Was a book written by Major General Smedley Butler. At the time of his writing the book, he was the most decorated soldier in US history, a 2 time recipient of the MOH and others. If anyone has an inside track on war, it was General Butler. No one can say he was some liberal pacifist type who didn't understand war. When did he write it? 1935. Yes, 1935, well before the term "military industrial complex" was mentioned and warned of by another highly decorated and respected general and then POTUS, Dwight D. Eisenhower who coined the term in 1961 during his farewell speech.

    Unfortunately, not all wars can be avoided, some are necessary to the preservation and sovereignty of a nation, but make no mistake about it, those who know war better than most, have been aware a long time it's a racket and $ making machine often driven by people who don't give a damn about how many die in the process.

    Lucky for you, General Butler's book is free, and reading it will open some eyes - be you warrior or anti war or something between - to the fact that's not even remotely a new concept. Read it, and view it from the modern lens...

    https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf
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    The Russian Terminator tank is already in Ukraine near the front line


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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    I’ve been waiting for some reporter to ask Gen Miley to compare and contrast the Ukrainian and Russian DEI programs and how that fits into our strategic alliance preference…
    Yep, Forbes says Ukraine has their own "Brigayd." Complete with Unicorn patches and everything. They cum hardened for battle with big guns.

    Sorry yall, butt this is the future. You're just going to man up and bend over and take it.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewa...h=7ee743983177

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriendlyStranger View Post
    The Russian Terminator tank is already in Ukraine near the front line

    The Terminator is optimized for urban fighting, shooting at the tops of high rises, so they show up 2 1/2 months late and when Russia is no longer fighting in cities, bout right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack7.62 View Post
    The Terminator is optimized for urban fighting, shooting at the tops of high rises, so they show up 2 1/2 months late and when Russia is no longer fighting in cities, bout right.
    They showed up via rail car very early on but in laughably inadequate numbers. Leaving their tanks unprotected against light infantry, with the expected results. IIRC, they’re supposed to have 1 for every 2 tanks for open, old school battle, and 2 for every tank for urban combat. There are a few reasons they haven’t been fielded on that scale.

    10 page, easy read: https://www.benning.army.mil/armor/e...4Chesley20.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsd2053 View Post
    Yep, Forbes says Ukraine has their own "Brigayd." Complete with Unicorn patches and everything. They cum hardened for battle with big guns.

    Sorry yall, butt this is the future. You're just going to man up and bend over and take it.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewa...h=7ee743983177
    Again, keep the politics out of the thread. Last warning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1168 View Post
    They showed up via rail car very early on but in laughably inadequate numbers. Leaving their tanks unprotected against light infantry, with the expected results. IIRC, they’re supposed to have 1 for every 2 tanks for open, old school battle, and 2 for every tank for urban combat. There are a few reasons they haven’t been fielded on that scale.

    10 page, easy read: https://www.benning.army.mil/armor/e...4Chesley20.pdf
    That's crazy, I've never actually heard of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1168 View Post
    They showed up via rail car very early on but in laughably inadequate numbers. Leaving their tanks unprotected against light infantry, with the expected results. IIRC, they’re supposed to have 1 for every 2 tanks for open, old school battle, and 2 for every tank for urban combat. There are a few reasons they haven’t been fielded on that scale.

    10 page, easy read: https://www.benning.army.mil/armor/e...4Chesley20.pdf
    Their best tank, the T90 is not fairing well either. Typical of Russian stuff, it's more show than go. "On paper" the T90 sounds pretty impressive, on par with other MBT from handful of countries. In reality, sounds like typical Russian stuff where corners cut, unreliable systems, armor not actually as good etc as claimed and so forth. I'm biased, but seems to me the Abrams, much less the most recent version, would mop the floor with T90s in battle and survive much of what the Ukes using to take them out, but only conjecture on my end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Their best tank, the T90 is not fairing well either. Typical of Russian stuff, it's more show than go. "On paper" the T90 sounds pretty impressive, on par with other MBT from handful of countries. In reality, sounds like typical Russian stuff where corners cut, unreliable systems, armor not actually as good etc as claimed and so forth. I'm biased, but seems to me the Abrams, much less the most recent version, would mop the floor with T90s in battle and survive much of what the Ukes using to take them out, but only conjecture on my end.
    Pretty sure our targeting systems, not to mention command and control are worlds ahead of the Russians. Those are the things it takes to win battles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    Pretty sure our targeting systems, not to mention command and control are worlds ahead of the Russians. Those are the things it takes to win battles.
    The M1A2 SEP V4 takes it to another level:

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/re...er-tank-187350
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