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Thread: The New Whats Wrong with the Russian Army

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    The New Whats Wrong with the Russian Army

    I thing this is needed but hopefully we can keep the politics to a minimum.

    Russia trying to force that river costing has cost them an entire Battalion Tactical Group (BTG). Estimates of KIA's range from a conservative 800 to 1500 plus and it appears they are going to try again.

    https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/stat...42847664173057

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    A tally of Russian losses from the infamous failed Russian Siverskyi Donets river crossing near Bilohorivka.
    In total 73 Russian equipment were destroyed/abandoned, including a BTG worth of AFVs.

    Great thanks to J.P. for counting and sending it to me.
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    The Ukrainian Combat Engineer who located the likely river crossing area so that Ukraine had a heads up and was prepared to respond. The guy has a bit of a big head but is rightfully proud I think.

    https://twitter.com/kms_d4k/status/1524506107615584256

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    The context:

    I am UA military engineering + EOD officer. I have served one turn in Donbas prior to the recent invasion.
    Recently, I have accomplished a mission which made huge impact on Russian losses and completely screwed up their plans to encircle Lysychansk.

    Initially, there was intelligence from frontline units that there are Russians on the other side of the river and they gather various vehicles. So, my commander asked on 6th May me as one of the best military engineers to do engineering reconnaissance on Siverskyi Donets river

    Together with recon units for backup, I went to explore the area of Hryhorivka and Bilohorivka on 7th May.
    Frontline units in Bilohorivka reported multiple RU vehicles gathering on the other side of the river.

    I explored the area and suggested a location where Russians might attempt to mount a pontone bridge to get to the other side. And, used rangefinders to figure out river is 80m wide, thus Russians would need 8 parts (10m each) of the bridge connected to get to the other side.

    With that flow of the river, I knew they would need motorized boats to arrange such a bridge, and it would take them at least two hours of work.
    Took me a day to check everything. And I had to do it on 8th of May as well.
    So, reported this information I had to my commanders.

    Also, I told the unit who observed that part of the river that they need to be on the look out for sound of motor boats.
    Visibility was shit in the area because Russians put fields & forests on fire, and were throwing a lot of smoke grenades. On top of that, it was foggy.

    They had to hear the sound. And they did on May 8th early morning. Right at the place I said. I was there to check it as well - and I have seen with my drone as Russians do the pontonne bridge. Reported immediately to commanders.

    Looking back, I think my recon + hints to the river unit made the biggest impact. I outplayed RU mil engineers.
    Russians attempted to place a bridge RIGHT in the place where I guessed.
    River unit didn’t see RU units, but was able to hear motor boats and report it immediately

    Artillery was ready.
    We have been able to confirm Russians mounted 7 parts of the bridge out of 8. Russians have even succeeded to move some troops and vehicles over the river. Combats started.

    In ~20 minutes after recon unit confirmed Russian bridge being mounted, HEAVY ARTILLERY engaged against Russian forces, and then aviation chipped in as well.
    I was still in the area, and I have never seen / heard such heavy combat in my life.
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    Russia confiscated their soldiers cell phones before invasion but soldiers kept their SIM cards, then soldiers steal Ukrainian cell phones and install their SIM's and bingo they show up on the Ukraine cell network as roamers.

    https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/sta...43911817850881

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    This map was direct messaged to me and was taken from a forum. It is a heat map of Russian SIM cards roaming Ukrainian cellphone networks. Logistics Thread��
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack7.62 View Post
    Artillery was ready.
    We have been able to confirm Russians mounted 7 parts of the bridge out of 8. Russians have even succeeded to move some troops and vehicles over the river. Combats started.

    In ~20 minutes after recon unit confirmed Russian bridge being mounted, HEAVY ARTILLERY engaged against Russian forces, and then aviation chipped in as well.
    I was still in the area, and I have never seen / heard such heavy combat in my life.
    Interview with Wali.

    Google translate:

    https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/2...n-terrible.php

    "After a few weeks in Ukrainian territory, some of the most experienced Western soldiers ended up being recruited by the Ukrainian Military Intelligence Directorate, and would now participate in special operations behind enemy lines, according to one of them. . Others, less experienced, "jump from one Airbnb to another" while waiting to be recruited by a unit that will take them to the front, says Wali. The majority, however, have decided to return home, say several people interviewed for this article. "Many arrive in Ukraine with their chests bulging, but they leave with their tails between their legs," says Wali. PHOTO PROVIDED BY WALI Fire caused by the bombardment of Ukrainian positions, near Irpin, in the suburbs of Kyiv In the end, he himself said he only fired two bullets into windows "to scare" and never really came within enemy firing range. "It's a war of machines", where the "extremely brave" Ukrainian soldiers suffer very heavy losses from shelling, but "miss many opportunities" to weaken the enemy because they lack knowledge technical military, he summarizes. “If the Ukrainians had the procedures we had in Afghanistan to communicate with the artillery, we could have caused carnage,” he believes. But Wali does not hide his desire to return there despite everything. “You never know when foreign fighters will make a difference on the ground. It's like a fire extinguisher: it's useless until the fire catches."

    Quote Originally Posted by mack7.62 View Post
    Russia confiscated their soldiers cell phones before invasion but soldiers kept their SIM cards, then soldiers steal Ukrainian cell phones and install their SIM's and bingo they show up on the Ukraine cell network as roamers.

    https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/sta...43911817850881

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    This map was direct messaged to me and was taken from a forum. It is a heat map of Russian SIM cards roaming Ukrainian cellphone networks. Logistics Thread��
    (NSFW) Russian Troops Blown-Up by Artillery During Instagram Livestream
    https://funker530.com/video/nsfw-rus...am-livestream/

    Why Ukraine's Artillery is So Effective vs. Russia
    https://funker530.com/video/why-ukra...russia-fnn-34/

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    What's wrong with the Russian Army is the exact same thing that's wrong with Russia. Its full of Russians.
    What if this whole crusade's a charade?
    And behind it all there's a price to be paid
    For the blood which we dine
    Justified in the name of the holy and the divine…

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    Let's try to keep this thread on topic, discussions about whether we should be helping Ukraine, Russia as the good guys, etc should be out of scope.

    This should be purely discussions on military performance and news in the war, ideally with confirmed sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinzgauer View Post
    Let's try to keep this thread on topic, discussions about whether we should be helping Ukraine, Russia as the good guys, etc should be out of scope.

    This should be purely discussions on military performance and news in the war, ideally with confirmed sources.
    Agreed.


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    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05...smid=url-share

    Moscow is withdrawing forces from around Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city, where it was losing ground, Ukrainian and Western officials said, in one of Russia’s biggest setbacks since its retreat from Kyiv last month.
    My dad died, and my grandfather died, and my great-grandfather died. And the guy before him, I don't know. Probably died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack7.62 View Post
    SNIP; read it above.
    Something interesting is that the Russians did this (the bridge thing) to the Nazis in Ukraine in WWII. They seem to have retained no lessons learned from that conflict, which I guess makes sense, since they executed so many of their own commanders during that phase of the Eastern Front. There was an incredible degree of stupid on display in Ukraine then, as well. There are also similarities between the tactics and concepts used by Ukrainian anti-tank dudes and the ones employed by the Allies against Axis tanks with tank destroyers.

    Quote Originally Posted by mack7.62 View Post
    Russia confiscated their soldiers cell phones before invasion but soldiers kept their SIM cards, then soldiers steal Ukrainian cell phones and install their SIM's and bingo they show up on the Ukraine cell network as roamers.

    https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/sta...43911817850881

    Trent Telenko
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    This map was direct messaged to me and was taken from a forum. It is a heat map of Russian SIM cards roaming Ukrainian cellphone networks. Logistics Thread��
    This has been a thing for them in the 20-teens there as well. The Russian Army has very poor security and basically glows in the dark. It is very easy to determine the strength, location, equipment, and vehicles of the Russian army, because of this. Y’wanna know the names and work/home addresses for many of their intel operatives? Just look at their version of Uber Eats. Telephone numbers, home addresses, security protocols at gates, everything.

    This is available open source, you don’t even need to be an agency or IC to get this intel.
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    One thing I wonder about...

    Do the Russians have the will and talent in place to learn from their mistakes? The Red Army suffered greatly due to Stalin's purges, and experienced a steep learning curve during the Winter War and Operation Barbarossa, but they learned from their mistakes and ended up steamrolling the Wehrmacht.

    Will they come out of this war better and stronger?
    "One can lead a child to knowledge, but one cannot make him think."
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