The New Whats Wrong with the Russian Army

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Interestingly, the Germans fought the Russians in Ukraine on at least one battlefield that Napoleon also did. I don’t remember which, but the German commander mentioned the historical significance of the field when he addressed his troops before battle.

Hitler made that same deadly assumption others had, would win quickly, didn't need to prep gear and have winter stuff for troops, etc. Along with the massive flood of stuff we sent at great cost to us, allowing them to get their momentum back, for which the miserable commies not only didn't thank us for (like the French did with a nice statue and such), it was banned from even talking about and would see you sent to the Gulags for it.

I really wonder if the right move would have been to have left the Russians to their fate. Even with a win, the Germans could not have controlled and managed the country and would always be a huge resource drain on the Nazi's to deal with.

I think so, but hindsight is 20/20. Had we not yoked ourselves with them as allies of convenience, they would not be where they are today. They wouldn’t have gotten nuclear weapons, or not as quickly, and perhaps the same with jets.

I used to say that China doesn’t have any cool shit that they didn’t reverse engineer, buy, or steal the designs for. And while that is less true than it was 20 years ago, its an interesting idea to apply to Russia. Off the top of my head:

. The Maxim was purchased from the West.
. The early tanks were supplied by Britain.
. There was a combined/joint tank school shared with Germany. It appears that the Germans pulled more teaching weight there than the Russians.
. DC3s were provided by the US.
. Jet aircraft and plans were captured from the Nazis.
. I’m sure the captured scientists helped with The Bomb.
. The AK47 was almost certainly inspired by the Sturmgewehr, even though the internal design is unrelated. The form and technology was related. I believe it was mechanically closer to American designs. Wonder where they got those.
. MANPADS were developed from Stingers they bought from Pashtuns via Pakistan
. AAMs have frequently mirrored US ones. We can assume UXO in Viet Nam was involved in the developments. Randall Cunningham, and probably others, were known to shoot AAMs at trucks on their way back to base. He is credited with destroying one, but what happened to the misses?
. A ground-launched advanced missile was purchased by Russia from someone in the Middle East recently after it landed mostly intact after being fired by Israel or the US; I don’t recall the details.

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Add to that the US invented Christie tank suspension was one of the things that made the T-34 as effective as it was.

[mack7.62]

The Russians don't treat their cannon fodder very well. The second video shows militia armed with Mosin–Nagant's Russia has run out of AK-47's?

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...69978379927557

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
This is amazing. Cannon fodder from the DPR and LPR stuck at the Ukrainian-Russian border near Kharkiv. They had been retreating from Kharkiv together with the Russian Army, but Russian authorities don’t let non-Russians to cross the border.

https://twitter.com/UkrWarLive/statu...67125296599042

Ukraine in War
@UkrWarLive
With rifles of the 1891 model and helmets of the 50s. But still alive.

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The Russians don't treat their cannon fodder very well. The second video shows militia armed with Mosin–Nagant's Russia has run out of AK-47's?

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...69978379927557

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
This is amazing. Cannon fodder from the DPR and LPR stuck at the Ukrainian-Russian border near Kharkiv. They had been retreating from Kharkiv together with the Russian Army, but Russian authorities don’t let non-Russians to cross the border.

https://twitter.com/UkrWarLive/statu...67125296599042

Ukraine in War
@UkrWarLive
With rifles of the 1891 model and helmets of the 50s. But still alive.

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I was surprised to learn that Ukrainian Army still has Political Officers. as well as Barrier troops/battalions (aka anti-retreat forces).

Ukrainian version of Nationalsozialistischer Führungsoffizier, I suppose.

[mack7.62]

I was surprised to learn that Ukrainian Army still has Political Officers. as well as Barrier troops/battalions (aka anti-retreat forces).

Ukrainian version of Nationalsozialistischer Führungsoffizier, I suppose.

I believe you meant to say Russian Army, if not prove it. Or just come in here post a bunch of nonsense and ruin another thread.

[Wake27]

The Russians don't treat their cannon fodder very well. The second video shows militia armed with Mosin–Nagant's Russia has run out of AK-47's?

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...69978379927557

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
This is amazing. Cannon fodder from the DPR and LPR stuck at the Ukrainian-Russian border near Kharkiv. They had been retreating from Kharkiv together with the Russian Army, but Russian authorities don’t let non-Russians to cross the border.

https://twitter.com/UkrWarLive/statu...67125296599042

Ukraine in War
@UkrWarLive
With rifles of the 1891 model and helmets of the 50s. But still alive.

Wow. I considered how likely it was that they had guys armed with Mosins or other bolt actions the other day and am still surprised to actually see it.

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I was surprised to learn that Ukrainian Army still has Political Officers. as well as Barrier troops/battalions (aka anti-retreat forces).

Ukrainian version of Nationalsozialistischer Führungsoffizier, I suppose.

I’m placing you on ignore for at least one week. After that if I see you post about actually shooting a rifle, I’ll get curious enough to remove that. I hate to do this because I like to see different opinions, but you can’t seem to understand how to stay on topic like an adult.

I hope you have a good day, and I hope you do so elsewhere. This thread is for discussion of the Russian army’s performance.

Mods, can you guys please go back to temp-banning users that habitually shit in threads instead of locking the thread?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I remember some history book saying that some huge proportion of the Russian rolling stock for trains in World War II was provided by Lindley‘s. You can make all kinds of stuff, but in a country as big as Russia you’re not gonna be moving stuff without trains.

It’s interesting to see all the Soviet Union red flags with hammers and circles on these Russian troops. I think there even was a video with a guy near an armored personnel carrier with a red baseball cap on. Not quite sure why you would do that.

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I remember some history book saying that some huge proportion of the Russian rolling stock for trains in World War II was provided by Lindley‘s. You can make all kinds of stuff, but in a country as big as Russia you’re not gonna be moving stuff without trains.

Russia was and is extremely dependent upon trains. Its one of the reasons everyone got so much intel on what units were going where, and what their actual strength was vs doctrine.