Self Defense Ammunition question

[Stickman]

The problem with the BlitzKing isn't that it's 55 gr, it's that it isn't barrier blind.

You are confused good sir if you think departments want to spend money on ammo which is looked at as "specialty ammo" for regular patrol units. Even if we are talking about personal household and property protection, there are still pros and cons to everything.

[Defaultmp3]

You are confused good sir if you think departments want to spend money on ammo which is looked at as "specialty ammo" for regular patrol units. Even if we are talking about personal household and property protection, there are still pros and cons to everything.

I am well aware that issued ammo is often subpar; even the manufacturers will market it as such, such as the many varieties of Hornady TAP that aren't barrier blind. That doesn't mean that BlitzKing should be considered a good option if given the opportunity and ability to swap it out in personal guns, given that heavier OTMs have similar penetration and barrier characteristics, but with superior external ballistics.

Can an argument be made that they're a "good enough" option? Sure. If that's all you got, and you have other priorities (and don't we all), it'll definitely do the job. But if you're gonna be asking for advice to min-max, then, well, it's a pretty shit choice, IMO.

[Entryteam]

It is also nice to have an option of picking up a thousand rounds of something, as opposed to boxing yourself into just filling X amount of magazines. I have mags located all over the place, as well as what I refer as "go bags" just for ammo. If I were only using 77 or 69 grain, there wouldn't be near as many mags preloaded and ready to go.

Once upon a time I was with a department that only allowed one magazine for duty use, and if you were friends with the right people, you could have 40 rounds. What a total load of crap, my squads knew to hit my cruiser as an emergency supply to get armor or ammo.

I used to say this, about my old department's administration: "It is very easy to make decisions... that YOU yourself will never have to live with."

[Stickman]

I used to say this, about my old department's administration: "It is very easy to make decisions... that YOU yourself will never have to live with."

I was being lectured one time by a captain, and he was questioning something stupid which I can't even recall, but it was weapon related. All I could think of while he was talking was the last time he had worked patrol, cops didn't carry radios. With 35/40 years on the department he was so out of his depth that he could only prattle about policy, which of course was written by people who also had no idea what they were talking about.

He also created his own use of force table/ladder/ continuum which he was very proud of. The problem was it was excessively wordy, with most of it needing to be flushed down the toilet. It became a game for some people in which they would simply cut and paste the policy part, then slap whatever they wanted on the other side. The Sgts and brass would bless off on anything that contained the magic buzzwords they were so proud of.

[Entryteam]

I was being lectured one time by a captain, and he was questioning something stupid which I can't even recall, but it was weapon related. All I could think of while he was talking was the last time he had worked patrol, cops didn't carry radios. With 35/40 years on the department he was so out of his depth that he could only prattle about policy, which of course was written by people who also had no idea what they were talking about.

He also created his own use of force table/ladder/ continuum which he was very proud of. The problem was it was excessively wordy, with most of it needing to be flushed down the toilet. It became a game for some people in which they would simply cut and paste the policy part, then slap whatever they wanted on the other side. The Sgts and brass would bless off on anything that contained the magic buzzwords they were so proud of.

One of our Captains, the one that I butted heads with the most, had a grand total of 2 years as a patrol officer. TWO YEARS. And I threw taht into the conversation every time I got the chance. He was a Blevit.

[Steve-0-]

I run mk262 mod1 77gr but keep in mind, a lot of gooks got slayed with m193 ball...

[Stickman]

One of our Captains, the one that I butted heads with the most, had a grand total of 2 years as a patrol officer. TWO YEARS. And I threw taht into the conversation every time I got the chance. He was a Blevit.

You have no idea how happy it makes me to have someone else feel my pain. From the bottom of my heart, thank you, and yes, I feel bad for both of us.

Next thing we can bitch about it women who can't pass quals on the first attempt, but study all shift long and miss calls so they can promote to detective or Sgt. Its not only women, just a reoccurring theme.

[Stickman]

I run mk262 mod1 77gr but keep in mind, a lot of gooks got slayed with m193 ball...

Affirm, no way around it.

[Entryteam]

You have no idea how happy it makes me to have someone else feel my pain. From the bottom of my heart, thank you, and yes, I feel bad for both of us.

Next thing we can bitch about it women who can't pass quals on the first attempt, but study all shift long and miss calls so they can promote to detective or Sgt. Its not only women, just a reoccurring theme.

Brother... I didn't even know you COULD hit the concrete at the 7 yard line. I was a Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor for 18 years, and we used to fight over who was forced to qualify Admin. They were frightening.

And I got so many "unqualified supervisor" stories I wouldn't know where to begin. So yes, I feel your pain. To depths of my soul LOL.

[Hammer_Man]

I think a lot of you are over thinking this. No home intruder/cat burglar/rioter/anarchist commie/space zombie is going to brush off a well placed shot of 55 grain hard ball. If you’re worried about barrier performance, I ask what barriers would you need to penetrate, what self defense scenario are you picturing exactly??