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Thread: Uvalde, Texas elementary school shooting: 19 children, 2 teachers killed

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    Literally just confirmed by TX DPS Spokesman Victor Escalon:

    11:28 suspect wrecked in ditch with NO prior engagement.
    11:30 911 call
    11:40 suspect enters school, after firing shots between the ditch and school building
    11:44 local officers make entry into school and are repelled by shooter, who then barricades himself in classroom
    12:44 (approximately) BORTAC kills suspect
    NO armed officer available at time suspect entered school

    So, complete and abject failure in initial response followed by severely delayed final entry. No telling how many kids died in the interim.

    And again, no duty to protect, so government will find themselves not criminally responsible

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    He was wearing a plate carrier, however it did not have ballistic armor, just the carrier.
    S&W left near the vehicle, DD taken into the school.
    Dropped back pack outside that had more mags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoo95 View Post
    Very few teachers actually want to be armed or trained. Yes there were some who have the heart and personality for it, but the vast majority ha e no desire nor will to use a firearm. My point is the concept of arming/training teachers is a noble one but there will only be a small percentage that are interested and even fewer that are capable.

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    In the big scheme of things I’m sure you’re correct. In my daughters school district I know that there are several that would jump on the chance to do it. Some get training and regularly on their own already. Just because a majority don’t want anything to do with it isn’t a reason not to do it.

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    So did an armed resource officer engage him in the way in, or hold the door open for him?

    Between this, all the warning signs and completely jacked up family that anyone can continue to go ‘guns, guns, guns’ is literally crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    So did an armed resource officer engage him in the way in, or hold the door open for him?

    Between this, all the warning signs and completely jacked up family that anyone can continue to go ‘guns, guns, guns’ is literally crazy.
    It sounds like there was an hour between 1st engagement and him getting killed and in the meantime 21 people most of which are little kids who have been killed.
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    With all the info coming out now, who knows what is real or not. This article says officers got their kids out before stopping the shooter.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...419ffac8cffafb

    While it makes a great headline, later in the article is states that officers were evacuating kids by breaking windows and pulling kids out. Could it have been that some of the kids scrambling out the windows were officers kids? This was probably happening at the same time as other officers were attempting to breach the room. That's not the same as "This is my kids classroom. I'm going in there to get him. Forget about the shooter."

    We won't know what actually happened when for some time. We probably won't know exactly what happened unless its something the powers-that-be want us to know. Case in point: We have minute by minute, even second by second, details about the Parkland shooting with video, but nothing concrete that I know of about the Vegas shooting. Where do you think there are more/better cameras, in a school or in a casino?

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    Just tired of the leftists using the tiniest of percentages as the free reign to impose extreme restrictions onto everyone else. Just like their abortion argument where they use rape and incest, which at the highest accounts for less than 1% of all pregnancies, they'll use the handful of psychotic under 20 year olds as an excuse that none of the 100 million plus gun owners in the country should have an AR.
    "Why "zombies"? Because calling it 'training to stop a rioting, starving, panicking, desperate mob after a complete governmental financial collapse apocalypse' is just too wordy." or in light of current events: "training to stop a rioting, looting, molotov cocktail throwing, skinny jeans wearing, uneducated bunch of lemmings duped by, or working directly for, a marxist organization attempting to tear down America while hiding behind a race-based name"

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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    So did an armed resource officer engage him in the way in, or hold the door open for him?

    Between this, all the warning signs and completely jacked up family that anyone can continue to go ‘guns, guns, guns’ is literally crazy.
    Sounds like the whole nest was a bunch of rats.

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    Rick Gore points out several things filmed on scene.


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    So this is ending up sounding like five different incidents. How many re-writes are we going to get?

    I never thought that I'd have to get through a gunfight to get to the gunfight with the bad guy????

    I literally don't know what to think---- and this is the kind of crap that leads to conspiracy theories getting a toe-hold, hell the MSM stories are disinformation...
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