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Thread: I was called an idiot…ATF gun registry a reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mRad View Post
    It’s illegal. Sources are cited on it. I never mentioned how traces are done. But they can nor type your meme and see the information on any 4473 you’ve filled out.

    I’m not concerned with my name coming back on a trace. I have other concerns as many others do. We don’t need to ignore it the ATF doing things they shouldn’t.


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    BS. They have no way of scanning the 4473s in MY possession.

    When I do the NICS check online, there is NO firearm information beyond handgun, long gun or other. No make, no model, no serial number, no indication of how many firearms purchased. Just customer information. I've explained this to you so many times I can't believe I have to do it again. I can make a YT video with the exact same info if that helps.

    Please explain to me how they have any access to the information on the 4473?

    I'll give you a cookie if you can do it.

    If your local FFL is using an online 4473 and you don't trust it, find another FFL.
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    So I guess I'm missing a huge opportunity.

    ATTENTION GUN BUYERS....ATF IS ATTEMPTING TO MAKE GUN REGISTRY. APPARENTLY I AM ONLY FFL STILL USING PAPER 4473S WHICH MAKE YOUR PURCHASE NON SEARCHABLE BY DIABOLICAL ATF DIGITAL RECORDS SCHEME.

    STAY OFF ATF REGISTRATION - ONLY BUY GUNS FROM ME.
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    The ONLY 411 ATF could collect off a 4473 be it a call in or online is to know the type of transaction of a handgun, long gun or other...that is not a registry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artos View Post
    The ONLY 411 ATF could collect off a 4473 be it a call in or online is to know the type of transaction of a handgun, long gun or other...that is not a registry.
    But....when ATF takes the 4473s that are already in their possession and scans them to pdf form, then it becomes OH THE NOES!!!!!! SERCHJIABALBE DATA BASED GUN REIIUSTRATOIN OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    He has a video by renowned firearms expert MrGunsandGear which explains everything. So it's a FACT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mRad View Post
    Here it is. I’m apparently not the only one that heard the rumors (some of which an actual ATF agent let slip to a family member), but the ATF is indeed digitizing in the same searchable manner as I stated a few months back. The change in 4473 served no purpose but to make it easier to do so. Here’s MrGunsandGear breaking it down:

    https://youtu.be/PokL9HjQ50s


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    The ATF may well know the guns I have purchased but they do not know which guns I own.

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    SteyrAUG is correct, 100%. This fallacy/lie about 4473s being “registration” has been spread so many times it makes me want to puke. They stay with the FFL and aren’t given to ATF. A trace request comes from ATF and then the FFL gives them the info requested. It will either be the sale to an individual or to the next FFL it was sent to, based on the Acquisition/Disposition book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotbiggun42 View Post
    The ATF may well know the guns I have purchased but they do not know which guns I own.
    If things ever go badly I’m sure the burden of proof will on your to show you sold those guns and who too

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    BS. They have no way of scanning the 4473s in MY possession.

    When I do the NICS check online, there is NO firearm information beyond handgun, long gun or other. No make, no model, no serial number, no indication of how many firearms purchased. Just customer information. I've explained this to you so many times I can't believe I have to do it again. I can make a YT video with the exact same info if that helps.

    Please explain to me how they have any access to the information on the 4473?

    I'll give you a cookie if you can do it.

    If your local FFL is using an online 4473 and you don't trust it, find another FFL.
    Nobody said they scanned 4473s in your possession. Stop injecting what you want to hear into what is actually said.

    You really do have some serious comprehension problems.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sandsunsurf View Post
    SteyrAUG is correct, 100%. This fallacy/lie about 4473s being “registration” has been spread so many times it makes me want to puke. They stay with the FFL and aren’t given to ATF. A trace request comes from ATF and then the FFL gives them the info requested. It will either be the sale to an individual or to the next FFL it was sent to, based on the Acquisition/Disposition book.
    Nobody said 4473s in private hands are a registration. If you want to make an argument, argue about what’s actually being said.


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