I was "that guy" at the range today.

**WillBrink** · 06-22-22, 13:32

Originally Posted by Stickman

It seems that all the internet kids want to go as short as possible (obviously not you Will), and forget the lack of reliability, damaging noise and concussion, never mind the lack of ballistic ability when they are using 8, 7.5 and even 6.5" barrels. Throwing a brake on them does tame the intensified felt recoil, but at the price of damaging ears or mandating the shooter double up ear pro.

I had a team that used 6.5" barrels on duty guns. I wanted to cry, and eventually I simply replaced all the barrel in inventory with 10.5s.

The internet kids want short as possible, but they don't know why they want it. I do at least. My POV on the topic covered in the other thread linked in the OP. I feel I gave a good account of the choice made as it applies to me.

**kerplode** · 06-22-22, 16:41

Originally Posted by Hammer_Man

I put a muzzle brake on my 308 just so I can pull it out when some jackass at the indoor range is shooting an unsuppressed SBR.

I got stuck next to some rube shooting an SBR with a battlecomp one time. It was definitely unpleasant and I moved at the first opportunity.

Not the loudest thing I experienced at an indoor range, though...

I made the mistake of firing my Guide Gun in 375 Ruger there while it had the brake attached. HUGE fireball, the blast wave PIMP SMACKED me in the face, dust rained down from the ceiling, and it made my ears ring through double earpro. Some dude at the other end of the line said "HOLY SHIT!! What the hell was THAT!" Holy shit indeed. One round and done for that session...

**WillBrink** · 06-22-22, 17:03

Originally Posted by kerplode

I got stuck next to some rube shooting an SBR with a battlecomp one time. It was definitely unpleasant and I moved at the first opportunity.

Not the loudest thing I experienced at an indoor range, though...

I made the mistake of firing my Guide Gun in 375 Ruger there while it had the brake attached. HUGE fireball, the blast wave PIMP SMACKED me in the face, dust rained down from the ceiling, and it made my ears ring through double earpro. Some dude at the other end of the line said "HOLY SHIT!! What the hell was THAT!" Holy shit indeed. One round and done for that session...

S&W 500 Mag and 454 casull are worse then any AR I have heard. I don't know if the actual DB is higher or not, but the blast wave effect is worse in my experiences. Only time I have ever left the range was a guy shooting his 500 handgun. What useless toy of a gun.

**MistWolf** · 06-22-22, 17:29

Originally Posted by Stickman

…Throwing a brake on them does tame the intensified felt recoil, but at the price of damaging ears or mandating the shooter double up ear pro.

That’s what kills me. Shorter barrel equals less velocity. Less velocity equals less free recoil, not more.

But people think shorter rifles kick more because they have more muzzle blast. So they add a brake, which intensifies muzzle blast…?

It’s all in their heads.

**WillBrink** · 06-22-22, 17:34

Originally Posted by MistWolf

That’s what kills me. Shorter barrel equals less velocity. Less velocity equals less free recoil, not more.

But people think shorter rifles kick more because they have more muzzle blast. So they add a brake, which intensifies muzzle blast…?

It’s all in their heads.

The pistol I got is very pleasant to shoot recoil wise. The noise and the fire ball are another matter.

**kerplode** · 06-22-22, 18:04

Originally Posted by WillBrink

S&W 500 Mag and 454 casull are worse then any AR I have heard. I don't know if the actual DB is higher or not, but the blast wave effect is worse in my experiences. Only time I have ever left the range was a guy shooting his 500 handgun. What useless toy of a gun.

Yeah, agreed...The high-pressure big bore revolvers are very "blasty" for lack of a better term. More so than one would expect. I'm thinking its the 50-60k+ PSI jetting out the cylinder gap that's intensifying the effect. I give those guys a wide berth at the range for sure.

Even though the 500 is mostly useless, I still kinda want one. I want a 50 AE Desert Eagle someday, too, though, so there's also that... :-)

**DG23** · 06-22-22, 18:38

Originally Posted by WillBrink

The white box range ammo is a $1 per round!!!

Ammo that the range in question makes you buy from them to be able to shoot on their range?

(was a question not just a statement)

A buck a round for .223 sucks big time.

**WillBrink** · 06-22-22, 19:06

Originally Posted by DG23

Ammo that the range in question makes you buy from them to be able to shoot on their range?

(was a question not just a statement)

A buck a round for .223 sucks big time.

They don't force that no, but I refuse to use my supplies, and grabbed a few boxes. Even bulk buying does seem that much less $ these days, maybe 30%? Have not searched a lot lately.

**titsonritz** · 06-22-22, 19:23

Originally Posted by WillBrink

S&W 500 Mag and 454 casull are worse then any AR I have heard. I don't know if the actual DB is higher or not, but the blast wave effect is worse in my experiences. Only time I have ever left the range was a guy shooting his 500 handgun. What useless toy of a gun.

Unless you've got a grizzly bear charging your ass. That said, I'm comfortable with my manhood topping out at 44mag.