Supreme Court overrules roe v wade

[ChattanoogaPhil]

As a constitutional matter it was the correct decision.

As a practical matter I'm not sure what the impact will be. From what little I've read on the subject over half of abortions are by medication. What are pro-life lawmakers going to do, expand the war on drugs? Pro-life lawmakers can surely make medical procedure abortion more difficult for some women to obtain. Will that significantly reduce abortions? Women of means... I don't think much will change. Women in poverty... absent easy access to free abortion procedure, perhaps there will be significantly more births among the poor.

Here in Chattanooga the only abortion clinic was torn down and made in to a memorial for the unborn 30 years ago. Women seeking an abortion must go elsewhere. It didn't require the Supreme Court to act one way or the other.

Meanwhile... in 2019 Tennessee lawmakers passed a so-called abortion trigger-ban if Roe was overturned. As expected, District Attorneys are already saying they won't prosecute. --- Nashville DA Glenn Funk: I will not prosecute any woman who chooses to have a medical procedure to terminate a pregnancy or any medical doctor who performs this procedure at the request of their patient. I will use my constitutional powers to protect women, health providers and those making personal health decisions.

Generally speaking, I think both the panic and celebration is overdone. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

[BoringGuy45]

As a constitutional matter it was the correct decision.

As a practical matter I'm not sure what the impact will be. From what little I've read on the subject over half of abortions are by medication. What are pro-life lawmakers going to do, expand the war on drugs? Pro-life lawmakers can surely make medical procedure abortion more difficult for some women to obtain. Will that significantly reduce abortions? Women of means... I don't think much will change. Women in poverty... absent easy access to free abortion procedure, perhaps there will be significantly more births among the poor.

Here in Chattanooga the only abortion clinic was torn down and made in to a memorial for the unborn 30 years ago. Women seeking an abortion must go elsewhere. It didn't require the Supreme Court to act one way or the other.

Meanwhile... in 2019 Tennessee lawmakers passed a so-called abortion trigger-ban if Roe was overturned. As expected, District Attorneys are already saying they won't prosecute. --- Nashville DA Glenn Funk: I will not prosecute any woman who chooses to have a medical procedure to terminate a pregnancy or any medical doctor who performs this procedure at the request of their patient. I will use my constitutional powers to protect women, health providers and those making personal health decisions.

Generally speaking, I think both the panic and celebration is overdone. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Doctors may not get prosecuted in their county, but that doesn't mean the TN AG's office won't file charges, or that the medical board won't yank doctor's licenses.

[Backfire]

Help me out a bit... why is abortion do important? They are freaking out with anxiety... how many abortions do women have? I would guess 1 in a lifetime? Or is this a weekly thing for some? Do people nowadays nOt use a condom after hooking up on tinder?

They act like they are banning couches and bonbons.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

It’s just common sense legislation…

The parallelisms and switch on gun versus baby-murder ‘rights’ is DELISH. Gun owners have been at the mercy of people passing laws that aren’t affected by the laws they pass. The gun grabbers don’t own guns, don’t think you should own guns, think people that own guns are evil, try all kinds of legal machinations to make it hard to get a gun.

Well, welcome to the party that we’ve played since 68!

Common sense legislation
Bans

At least they don’t have the FEDs trying to get them on BS charges, the FEDs will HELP them get around the equivalent of background checks.

[Disciple]

Again, I have no idea what you mean by "low cost way to reproduction". How is the cost low and for whom????????

Low cost to the rapist of course. At great cost to the woman and society at large. How can I make this any more clear?

So taking human pesticides to stop implantation is not the taking of innocent life? If that is your position, it seems that since it is less grisly in your mind then it has the approval of Jesus Christ.

To protect the creating of babies in mass, discarding some and using others, and you think all of this has the approval of an infinitely righteous God? Is it life at conception or not? If life, your position can not possibly be defended from the scriptures.

I do not presume to speak for God. Do you? Your assertion that mixing sperm and eggs in a dish is "creating babies in mass" is not scriptural. Will you teach as doctrine commandments of your own creation? Matthew 15:9

Abortionists lie to women and tell them that a tiny baby with hands, feet and a face is just a lump of tissue because they know that many a woman given the chance to see these features growing inside her and listen to the heartbeat of her child will reject abortion. They pour out violence and vitriol on pregnancy resource centers because they tell women the truth. Even in this age many have the natural affection (2 Timothy 3:3) to recognize what is right. Do you not believe this natural affection is from God? Yet what natural affection can you elicit for a blastocyst? No reasonable observer would identify it as a baby, even under a microscope.

It isn't mentioned in the bible or the 10 commandments because it didn't exist at the time and nobody could foresee medical procedures such as abortion. The bible and, more importantly the 10 commandments are a product of their time.

Abortion is not a medical procedure: it treats no ailment. A pregnancy may be terminated for actual medical reasons but this is not done by destroying the fetus; every effort may be made to save its life with the technology available.

Silphium was widely used in antiquity around the Mediterranean.

Hell I could simply interpret abortion to be an act of witchcraft and I'd have complete biblical support. I can probably come up with a dozen other biblical prohibitions against abortion.

The bible is forthright about bestiality (Leviticus 18:23) so what reason is there to assume it would obfuscate abortion? Allowing for figures of speech of the period the book reads literally. Corrupt men apply occult interpretation and numerology to deceive.

[SteyrAUG]

Help me out a bit... why is abortion do important? They are freaking out with anxiety... how many abortions do women have? I would guess 1 in a lifetime? Or is this a weekly thing for some? Do people nowadays nOt use a condom after hooking up on tinder?

They act like they are banning couches and bonbons.

I'm guessing you don't get out much. For me the record is 8, I knew a single female who had 8 abortions at last count. Severe alcoholic who would have sex for alcohol. About a month later when she realized she was pregnant, she'd get an abortion because you can't trade sex for alcohol when you are 7 months pregnant. I don't think any of those kids would have survived anyway, they'd have died of severe alcohol poisoning before they ever were born.

For all I know she is up to 10 at this point.

[SteyrAUG]

Abortion is not a medical procedure: it treats no ailment. A pregnancy may be terminated for actual medical reasons but this is not done by destroying the fetus; every effort may be made to save its life with the technology available.

Boob implants are a medical procedure that doesn't treat an ailment. Feel free to substitute "medical abortion" if it makes you feel better but the "medical procedures" that exist that "treat no ailment" are too numerous to list.

[TomMcC]

Boob implants are a medical procedure that doesn't treat an ailment. Feel free to substitute "medical abortion" if it makes you feel better but the "medical procedures" that exist that "treat no ailment" are too numerous to list.

If we are going to call it a "medical procedure", may I suggest "illegitimate medical procedure".

[TomMcC]

Low cost to the rapist of course. At great cost to the woman and society at large. How can I make this any more clear?



I do not presume to speak for God. Do you? Your assertion that mixing sperm and eggs in a dish is "creating babies in mass" is not scriptural. Will you teach as doctrine commandments of your own creation? Matthew 15:9

Abortionists lie to women and tell them that a tiny baby with hands, feet and a face is just a lump of tissue because they know that many a woman given the chance to see these features growing inside her and listen to the heartbeat of her child will reject abortion. They pour out violence and vitriol on pregnancy resource centers because they tell women the truth. Even in this age many have the natural affection (2 Timothy 3:3) to recognize what is right. Do you not believe this natural affection is from God? Yet what natural affection can you elicit for a blastocyst? No reasonable observer would identify it as a baby, even under a microscope.




Abortion is not a medical procedure: it treats no ailment. A pregnancy may be terminated for actual medical reasons but this is not done by destroying the fetus; every effort may be made to save its life with the technology available.

Silphium was widely used in antiquity around the Mediterranean.



The bible is forthright about bestiality (Leviticus 18:23) so what reason is there to assume it would obfuscate abortion? Allowing for figures of speech of the period the book reads literally. Corrupt men apply occult interpretation and numerology to deceive.

This is some of the most fallacious unscriptural thinking I think I've seen in quite a while from somebody who professes the faith.

No, you weren't too clear, especially with the idea that rape in these United States is about rapists raping women to reproduce. In the context of the US, I highly doubt that's what rapists are doing....trying to reproduce on the cheap. I might buy that argument for, say, Nigeria, where you have Islamists running around stealing Christian girls to rape and reproduce. Here, not so much.

So I'll start with the "vain worship", presuming to speak for God argument. Guess what, you just contradicted yourself, by, you guessed it, speaking for God. Trying to call another brother to account, like you just did and essentially paraphrasing the scriptures is in fact speaking for God, you just told me in your own way that I broke a commandment, that is being God's mouth piece. Your accusation is false, but I don't have a problem at all with the idea of "speaking for God" as long as you're speaking the truth. In fact, he calls us to "speak the truth in love", that would be his truth we're speaking. Do you believe telling people about the gospel of Christ is "presuming to speak for God"? As for, teaching the commandments of men argument, you weren't particularly specific, so I'm going to say that it has something to do with my assertion that the bible doesn't allow for any murder and that since in your words, the just conceived baby is a "blastocyst". So, it really sounds like you don't believe a "blastocyst" is a new human being. Amazing isn't it that your view seems to be really similar to the most rabid pro-abort on the planet? Let's see, the "blastocyst" now has a completely unique DNA profile, that would be a human profile, the "blastocyst" is already, within hours and a few days, building a body with all it's, mind boggling, complexity. Your next argument is that women can't have affection for their "blastocyst". This is about the most ridicules argument of all. The Christian women I have known and do know, don't think that when they become pregnant that they are carrying a "blastocyst", to a woman, they all believe and know they are carrying a baby. And guess what??? They LOVE their coming babies. I've seen women cry and lament and mourn for their miscarried "blastocyst".

Let me just finish this up by reminding you that making human beings is the special providence of God, Psalm 139, especially verses 14 and 15. Just do a search of the word womb. But now days we have Christians that have bought into the mad scientists view that he can create "blastocysts" and put them on ice for the parents and use them as needed, and if they die or fizzle out, well isn't that a shame, they weren't really babies. You have bought the lie of the world, you have lost your way on this one.

By the way, speaking of Matthew 15, how many elements of your Sunday worship are the commandments of men?

[SteyrAUG]

If we are going to call it a "medical procedure", may I suggest "illegitimate medical procedure".

That is simply adding philosophy to an already muddied topic, so let me cut to the chase. Vivisection is a "medical procedure" by definition of the words, it might have have almost zero real world benefit unless you are documenting the real time death of humans from some horrible virus, it might possibly be one of the most reprehensible thing a human has thought up to do to another human, probably ranks right up there with kidnapping humans for purpose of cannibalism as one of the few acts that probably removes the actual distinction of what qualifies a human as a human but it is still technically a "medical procedure."

Obviously not all "medical procedures" serve a meaningful purpose. Ironically the medical part of the definition does give us some "real world" guidance with things like abortion. The Hippocratic Oath simplified says "do no harm" so that would from a medical ethics standpoint eliminate most abortions except in cases of forced pregnancy, undue risk of injury to the mother, unborn or both. We are evolved enough that for everyone else a 8th grade level of responsibility and things like "the morning after" pill, not to mention every known form of birth control, the need for an abortion is eliminated and all but the most radical extremes on both sides of the debate would be satisfied.

I'd wager 90% of abortions didn't need to happen and if providing birth control, education and accepting that lots of people are simply going to be sexually active from the time they hit puberty then I think that would be preferable. Then there is the elephant in the room, almost without exception I think every member of this forum would willfully disobey any SCOTUS ruling that banned firearms, now what do you imagine they'd do if they found themselves unexpectedly pregnant and didn't agree with the condition of pregnancy or a federal law that prevented them from ending it?

So I don't think the SC has done anything to end abortion, they have simply defined where it is legal and informed people where they must go in order to get an abortion.