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Amen.
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Haven't kept up today, at a 3 gun. So I don't know who believes what about this. BUT, NO, I strenuously disagree with this. MURDER is MURDER. Incest and rape babies are human beings and their lives are as important as anyone else. Do we punish the child for the sins of the fathers...No...that's a gross injustice. So, really it comes down to a gross inconsistency in moral outlook. Some lives are more important than other lives. The argument of the pro-abort. "The life of the mother" is another pro-abort argument. In modern times women don't face some sort of dilemma that they can't get medical help to save both the baby and the mother. It's a red herring. In these difficult situations all the help that can be mustered should be provide to help the mother, first, to understand that it's a baby, a human being, second, society, individuals will be there to help them get through. There are rape and incest babies alive today because the mother understood the right thing to do. Murder never ever makes things better, there are MUCH MUCH better ways. Not even a mention of you know who.
Last edited by TomMcC; 06-25-22 at 20:01.
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Pentagon says the scotus can cram it...man, talk about fubar.
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I believe "at some point" that collection of "cells" becomes an unborn human, but I don't think we will ever see strong consensus on when that occurs. This is complicated by the nature of biology that doesn't adhere to a strict developmental rate and a somewhat incomplete knowledge of when things like sentience occurs.
The whole issue is messy even without religion and politics.
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I think if people didn't have an interest in exterminating their children it wouldn't be so hard. I think, without this issue, everyone would select conception because it is the safest bet.
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The logic is sound, and honestly, I'm still OK with that being the commonly exploited loophole. Just taking away the veil of legality from a procedure that ends a life would have a profound chilling effect overall, even after mandatory reporting is removed from the equation.
It would be entirely enough that convenience clinics existing for the primary purpose of this would disappear.
Don't for a moment believe that (un)Planned Parenthood, if they existed to only provide the myriad of other women's services they claim to, would ever find themselves having to ask for a single taxpayer dollar to fulfill that mission.
Last edited by TehLlama; 06-26-22 at 00:30.
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Like I said earlier, if we were actually a responsible, advanced western society, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Problem is we have created a society so permissive, it tolerates people acting like children well into adulthood.
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It's not too hard to tell who's the tools of these principalties and powers, just look at how life is so nuanced.
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