New Gun Bill Signed Into Law today (6/25/22)

[Diamondback]

It's a ratchet- a lot of states already had all this stuff. Mine does. So for most people its a nothing, maybe even a positive if you and and girlfriend went wrong.

Let them have this small victory(?) because the NY SCOTUS case far overweighs anything here. The new battle will be fighting to new tweaks that they will be allowed.

AWB and mag limit bans need to be struck down NOW. Don't send the pending cases back to lower courts, we need SCOTUS decisions that are clear on the issue. That way it is harder when in 5-10 years when the dems get a majority on the court, there is as little room for them to screw around with precedent.

Too bad SCOTUS has already done all it will for cases this term--right now they're in that stage of the last few days after final exams but before the end of the school year. Barring something truly spectacular, they won't even look at anything more until October when the new term starts.

Must be nice having a job that gives you three months' paid vacation every year...

[Artos]

They didn't write any national red flag laws because they knew it would get challenged...they are sending $$$$ to the states & letting each one come up with their own rules. Hopefully Texas will have concrete due process and/or use the funds to harden schools / focus on the mental who slip through. I can also see the abused boyfriend / girlfriend point getting sideways with false claims. I'm sure a handful of states will go fubar & something to watch down the road.

[sandsunsurf]

So it basically undoes the Lautenberg Law about domestic violence? After 5 years of course, but the Lautenberg BS was permanent up until now.

I think this is a win- previously a person convicted of a felony could get their rights restored but a DV conviction fvcked a person for life and was ex post facto. Although a conviction can be sealed, in practice it NEVER happened.

I also have no heartburn with the expanded background for young buyers. We have plenty of gangbangers that turn 18 and are magically “clean” and go buy guns for the crew.

As for the rest, we shall see…

ETA: not condoning DV, but it’s the only misdemeanor with such significant ramifications. I knew a guy that had a tumultuous relationship with his wife, she lied about battery, he plead to disturbing the peace with no penalty. The Lautenberg amendment passed a few years later and he lost his ability to possess a gun. She told a judge that she had lied, but judge refused to seal the case. He got screwed.

[Disciple]

We have plenty of gangbangers that turn 18 and are magically “clean” and go buy guns for the crew.

Yeah that's absolutely nuts. How did that ever become a thing?

[tn1911]

Yeah that's absolutely nuts. How did that ever become a thing?

The juvenile system has always been about rehabilitation and not punishment, hence the sealing of records at 18 and the clean slate.

[The Dumb Gun Collector]

I am not saying the bill is a nothingburger, but it is no where near as big a deal as the media portrayed it (on both sides). And partially fixing the permaban for misdemeanors is actually a huge win (I have seen extremely trivial conduct charged as misdemeanor family violence).

[Diamondback]

IIRC, if you have the misfortune to be targeted by a complete malicious jackass even simple "raised voice" can be arrested and charged as Misdemeanor DV.

[ABNAK]

I think this is a win- previously a person convicted of a felony could get their rights restored but a DV conviction fvcked a person for life and was ex post facto. Although a conviction can be sealed, in practice it NEVER happened.

I also have no heartburn with the expanded background for young buyers. We have plenty of gangbangers that turn 18 and are magically “clean” and go buy guns for the crew.

As for the rest, we shall see…

ETA: not condoning DV, but it’s the only misdemeanor with such significant ramifications. I knew a guy that had a tumultuous relationship with his wife, she lied about battery, he plead to disturbing the peace with no penalty. The Lautenberg amendment passed a few years later and he lost his ability to possess a gun. She told a judge that she had lied, but judge refused to seal the case. He got screwed.

How that ever passed Constitutional muster is beyond me: a misdemeanor no less AND being ex post facto. I wonder if it was ever challenged and made it to the SCOTUS?

Yeah, not condoning wife-beaters at all, I find it disgusting and lived with a [sometimes] violent father. I get it. But just like with red flag laws, there is much chicanery afoot and flat-out lying that takes place by women in domestic situations. Certainly in enough cases to warrant a dead-stop on denying a Constitutional right over it.

[ABNAK]

I am not saying the bill is a nothingburger, but it is no where near as big a deal as the media portrayed it (on both sides). And partially fixing the permaban for misdemeanors is actually a huge win (I have seen extremely trivial conduct charged as misdemeanor family violence).

Exactly, it's bullshit.

[ABNAK]

IIRC, if you have the misfortune to be targeted by a complete malicious jackass even simple "raised voice" can be arrested and charged as Misdemeanor DV.

Yep. Throw a phone or bust a TV? DV, no guns forever for you. I hope Lautenberg is rolling over in his grave, libtard POS that he was. From New Jersey no less (go figure).