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    Quote Originally Posted by HKGuns View Post
    Why do any of those topics make one "Pro Russia?
    Because Zelensky says so.

    9/22/2023

    "You help either Ukraine or Russia. There will be no (neutrals) in this war,” Zelenskyy said.

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    You either send your wealth to Ukraine or you're pro russia. And be forewarned, if your country hosts Ukrainian refugees you better not even consider reducing the money flow to Zelensky and crew... could be trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil View Post
    Because Zelensky says so.

    9/22/2023

    "You help either Ukraine or Russia. There will be no (neutrals) in this war,” Zelenskyy said.

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    You either send your wealth to Ukraine or you're pro russia. And be forewarned, if your country hosts Ukrainian refugees you better not even consider reducing the money flow to Zelensky and crew... could be trouble.
    sounds like a democratic huckster demanding his due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil View Post
    Suddenly? Trump won the 2016 GOP primary and presidency in no small part due to voters fed up with their tax dollars being wasted in misguided wars and debt incurred because of it. Characterizing those against this misguided proxy war as "pro Russian"... c'mon.
    Yet those same people ignored the fact that the debt exploded under Trump by 320x the amount they are currently pretending to care about. Right at 8 trillion dollars in debt was piled up during the Trump administration. It was happy days because our team was in charge. I have been hearing this crap my whole life. When I was in high school it was the Democrats complaining about Reagan blowing the debt over ONE TRILLION. LOL, we are over 30x that now. People only care about the debt when the other team is in charge. And the type of money people are pretending to care about here is trivial. Hell, the Smithsonian's Air and Space museum just blew a BILLION on renovations....not a peep from the Russia gallery. Give me a break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack7.62 View Post
    Remember the three Storm Shadows that hit Black Sea Fleet Headquarters, here's an AAR.

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    Ukrainian Special Forces confirmed the death of Viktor Nikolayevich Sokolov, commander of the Black Sea Fleet. In total 34 officers were killed while another 105 Russians were injured.

    They hit an empty building dude.

    the fact that the building is not used by the command of the Russian Fleet in Crimea, it had significant historical value and is located in the center of the city, where the attack endangered the lives of many civilians.


    On Tuesday, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu chaired a regular briefing of senior military officials. Sokolov’s face could be seen in a photo and video materials from the event, displayed on a large screen behind the minister’s back with the caption ‘ChP’ (an abbreviation for the Black Sea Fleet in Russian). Presumably, the admiral was participating in the meeting remotely, as did other naval commanders displayed alongside him.
    More Kiev lies and no proof of shit.

    It cost USkraine 10 cruise missiles to get a couple of hits on a target of no strategic value at all and a single janitor got killed. Pat yourself on the back for the job well done...


    The Russian response to that half assed attack was a massive combined attack of Russian Kalibr, Onyx missiles and Geran UAVs that targeted the city of Odessa and various military facilities in the same region. Odessa sea terminals, port infrastructure and military facilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine came under fire of at least five waves of Russian strikes during the night.

    The speaker of the operational command “South” of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Natalia Gumenyuk clarified that the sea port in Odessa was actually destroyed.


    A picture of it before all of it was destroyed -


    Some pictures of them using that particular sea port for military purposes -




    Some current pictures of how that stuff (important infrastructure) is GONE now while no dumb shit western 'donated' missile defense system did jack or squat to prevent that outcome when Russia decided to remove that place from the battlefield -







    That shit is not going to be rebuilt any time soon and you can rest assured that the ONLY way Russia pays to rebuild there is only going to be AFTER they take that dirt and claim it as their own.

    (Odessa is going to get taken by Russia before this is all over. No way they (Ukraine) will be allowed to keep it if they are going to be using it to attack Russian territory with...)




    The pictures of the damage do not jive with the statements from the USkrainians about how many of what they intercepted / shot down - ever...


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dumb Gun Collector View Post
    Yet those same people ignored the fact that the debt exploded under Trump by 320x the amount they are currently pretending to care about. Right at 8 trillion dollars in debt was piled up during the Trump administration. It was happy days because our team was in charge. I have been hearing this crap my whole life. When I was in high school it was the Democrats complaining about Reagan blowing the debt over ONE TRILLION. LOL, we are over 30x that now. People only care about the debt when the other team is in charge. And the type of money people are pretending to care about here is trivial. Hell, the Smithsonian's Air and Space museum just blew a BILLION on renovations....not a peep from the Russia gallery. Give me a break.
    OTOH, how much of that was because of Midget Mengele doing a Grima Wormtongue to exploit his germaphobia? Granted, Trump DID let himself get rolled by McConnell et al... I'm not trying to defend DJT, just noting a few other contributing factors for "totality of the circumstances."
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dumb Gun Collector View Post
    People only care about the debt when the other team is in charge. And the type of money people are pretending to care about here is trivial. Hell, the Smithsonian is blowing nearly a BILLION on renovations..to fix up some museums....not a peep from the Russia gallery. Give me a break.
    Bull crap.

    You trying to chalk the additions to the debt off as inconsequential is funny at best. A crackhead is NOT going to 'get better' by only hitting the pipe a 'tiny bit less' than before.


    You trying to tell me that I only care about the wastefulness and grift when 'my' guy is in charge is just as disingenuous (full of crap).

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    I swear to God, some people wouldn’t be happy, unless people paid us so they can have their war.

    Oh, and the EU guys are now putting up more money than us..
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dumb Gun Collector View Post
    Yet those same people ignored the fact that the debt exploded under Trump by 320x the amount they are currently pretending to care about. Right at 8 trillion dollars in debt was piled up during the Trump administration. It was happy days because our team was in charge. I have been hearing this crap my whole life. When I was in high school it was the Democrats complaining about Reagan blowing the debt over ONE TRILLION. LOL, we are over 30x that now. People only care about the debt when the other team is in charge. And the type of money people are pretending to care about here is trivial. Hell, the Smithsonian's Air and Space museum just blew a BILLION on renovations....not a peep from the Russia gallery. Give me a break.
    Do they? I don't. Republicans are in control of the House, yet polling suggests only 28% of republican voters are in favor of additional funding to Ukraine. This compares to 44% of Independents and 62% of democrats. So even among democrats with their party in control of the US Senate and WH, polling suggests that over a third are not in favor of additional funding for Ukraine. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/r...id-to-ukraine/
    Last edited by ChattanoogaPhil; 09-27-23 at 07:50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    I swear to God, some people wouldn’t be happy, unless people paid us so they can have their war.

    Oh, and the EU guys are now putting up more money than us..
    Why aren't EU countries paying for all of it? They funded Putin's war machine with gas and oil purchases. Anyone remember Trump warning countries like Germany not to be so stupid? They laughed. Hell, Ukraine is still suckling on Putin's pipeline transit fees. Imagine this... US sends $$ to Ukraine, Ukraine buys Bulgarian refined fuels made with Russian oil to fuel US fighting vehicles that Putin blows up... sigh. Now get this... Zelensky is crying foul that diesel, kerosene and other fuels refined from Russian crude are flooding into Europe. Aug 30 2023 https://www.politico.eu/article/ukra...l-eu-sanction/ Oh my...

    Putting aside all the hypocrisy and duplicity, the fact of the matter is that Ukraine is in the EU's backyard, not ours. Ukraine is not a NATO member that the US is obligated to defend. And.... if the Russian military is such a clown show as some folks profess, there's no reason that Europe can't easily assist Ukraine to victory absent America holding their hand, militarily or financially. After all, EU countries account for about 1/6th of the global economy. Assisting Ukraine to victory requires only 'trivial' funding, so I've been told.
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    So we just ignore the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances? We ignore Russias promise not to attack the signatories? We ignore our assurances to assist them?

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