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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    A foreign nation invading and planning to force your nation and its people to follow their rules at the end of a gun and puppet installed government, is an existential threat to the nation.


    Zelensky IS the US 'puppet installed' government.

    And Russia said, 'No, Not on our border you dont' and is now fixing the mess that WE started with our 'regime change' garbage that we do all the time...

    Banning of all opposition parties, prohibiting anyone that is even close to what they consider 'fighting age' (old men and kids) from leaving, Drafting the same to fight on their behalf under threat of fines and imprisonment. The 'dictator' here is who exactly?


    Chime back in when the Ukraine boys (and kids and old men that were prohibited from leaving and forced to fight for a corrupt regime) retake anything...



    Amnesty International said on Friday that it stands by a report in which it accused Kiev of endangering civilians by placing its military assets in schools and residential areas. The investigation drew the ire of the Ukrainian government and President Vladimir Zelensky.

    The NGO “fully stands by our research,” Secretary General Agnes Callamard told the news agency AFP in an emailed statement. She also took to Twitter to state that her organization stands “by all victims. Impartially” and lashed out at those she called “social media mobs and trolls” that are “attacking” Amnesty’s investigations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DG23 View Post
    Zelensky IS the US 'puppet installed' government.

    And Russia said, 'No, Not on our border you dont' and is now fixing the mess that WE started with our 'regime change' garbage that we do all the time...

    Banning of all opposition parties, prohibiting anyone that is even close to what they consider 'fighting age' (old men and kids) from leaving, Drafting the same to fight on their behalf under threat of fines and imprisonment. The 'dictator' here is who exactly?


    Chime back in when the Ukraine boys (and kids and old men that were prohibited from leaving and forced to fight for a corrupt regime) retake anything...
    Chime back when you don't choose to take a section of what I wrote out of context. Even if in context, changes nadda. Welcome to geo politics. This is just another proxy war, but it changes nadda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake27 View Post
    And there’s the stupidest post I’ve read in a little while. Congrats.
    Nobody's perfect. I apologize if I offended you.

    Explain to me why then, out of 6M Ukrainian refugees 2M willingly relocated to Russia (according to the official UN report)? This does not take into account those who willingly remained on Russian controlled territories. Maybe they didn't get Zelenski's memo?

    Source: https://data.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine

    Official reports often paint a different picture than Ukrainian propaganda articles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alx01 View Post
    Nobody's perfect. I apologize if I offended you.

    Explain to me why then, out of 6M Ukrainian refugees 2M willingly relocated to Russia (according to the official UN report)? This does not take into account those who willingly remained on Russian controlled territories. Maybe they didn't get Zelenski's memo?

    Source: https://data.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine

    Official reports often paint a different picture than Ukrainian propaganda articles.
    Can you point to where the term "willingly" is used in the report you posted?
    Last edited by WillBrink; 08-07-22 at 16:37.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Can you point to where the term "willingly" is used in the report you posted?
    Ukrainians had and still have uninhibited access to relocate to European countries. I read somewhere that they are automatically given a 3 year residency status. This is an official statistics submitted by individual countries. Why would Russia report "unwilling" refugees? They could chose Europe, Western Ukraine, Russia, or stay (at least in the regional vicinity) of their own residence. A good 1/3 chose Russia.

    If you think that such term as "unwilling refugee" exists, you'd have to clarify that with UN on how they do the counting. Maybe somebody from the press can do a report of why those Ukrainians chose Russia and not Europe or other 80% of Ukraine, but I doubt you'll ever see that being reported because it does not fit the narrative.


    I would also ask Zelenskyy that, but he's meeting with all the right and critical people such as Jessica Chastain, Ben Stiller, Sean Penn, Liev Schreiber, and Angelina Jolie. It looks like Zelenskyy is doing the casting of who's going to play him and his wife in a movie. I'm anxious to see that.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...n-country.html

    In June, Ukraine thanked its Hollywood A-list visitors Ben Stiller, Sean Penn, Liev Schreiber and Angelina Jolie for visiting
    President Zelenskyy thanked Jessica... 'American actress Jessica Chastain is in Ukraine today... Thanks to this, the world will hear, know and understand the truth about what is happening in our country even more.'
    Let's play trivia, shall we?
    - Who can better help peasants to "understand the truth" than a Hollywood actress?
    - How many people can name a movie with Jessica Chastain without search?
    - Why didn't he invite Obama? From what I recall President Obama was a big supporter of Zelenskyy (or whoever was a president at that time) and Ukraine while he was in Office.


    Edit:
    Just to clarify that this is the same Jessica Chastain, a fighter for freedom and independence that she congratulated all Americans with two middle fingers on Independence Day.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CfmClV8OjFn/
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    Quote Originally Posted by alx01 View Post
    Ukrainians had and still have uninhibited access to relocate to European countries. I read somewhere that they are automatically given a 3 year residency status. This is an official statistics submitted by individual countries. Why would Russia report "unwilling" refugees? They could chose Europe, Western Ukraine, Russia, or stay (at least in the regional vicinity) of their own residence. A good 1/3 chose Russia.

    If you think that such term as "unwilling refugee" exists, you'd have to clarify that with UN on how they do the counting. Maybe somebody from the press can do a report of why those Ukrainians chose Russia and not Europe or other 80% of Ukraine, but I doubt you'll ever see that being reported because it does not fit the narrative.
    You offered a report that suggests it's far from willing by the language used, made up your own logic why they did it willingly, and there's no lack of articles and reports of the Russians forcing Ukrainians in areas they control to be relocated to Russia, which if I post, you will just claim is propaganda. Only source I have seen claiming Ukrainians going to Russia willingly is from the Russians, but of course they don't do propaganda... For others here who care:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukrain...ssia-1.6396247

    You're either trolling, intellectually dishonest, or both.

    I don't actually know what's really happening on the ground and neither to do you. I'm done responding to this one.
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    Fact is Russia has declining population numbers and has a long history of abducting large numbers of people from the countries they invade. Add in that other that Russia's big cities the standard of living in Ukraine was much better than in most of Russia. Common sense dictates that the no matter what they say the majority of those relocated did not go willingly.
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    Russians threaten to blow up mined Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/8/7362321/
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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1911 View Post
    Russians threaten to blow up mined Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/8/7362321/
    It would be very stupid of them given the prevailing winds and where the fallout will go... but nobody ever accused the vodka-swilling barbarians of being "smart."
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    Pentagon says Russia has suffered as many as 80,000 casualties in Ukraine and lost thousands of armored vehicles

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pentagon-s...JDbY5es-RVIfjK


    Sorry for your loss @DG23
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