Russian invasion of Ukraine discussion

[Averageman]

Between our Abrams, the like 80+ Leopards, the few dozen Bradleys, and however many IFVs coming from Europe... Ukraine is getting a few hundred very capable modern armored vehicles that outclass anything on the battlefield over there currently.

We havent given them a whole lot of HIMARS or M777 guns, but they are being used very effectively.

I hope they have been very well trained otherwise they got DU plated coffins.

[mack7.62]

Has Ukraine done any combat with the many tanks they already have? I haven't been keeping up.

Current tank losses confirmed by photo and video, 1646 to 449. Ukraine is likely somewhat underreported because they post a lot more photos/vids than the Russikes but still they are ahead.

Russian Tanks (1646, of which destroyed: 967, damaged: 75, abandoned: 59, captured: 545)

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html

Ukrainian Tanks (449, of which destroyed: 265, damaged: 24, abandoned: 16, captured: 144)

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...ukrainian.html

[Harpoon]

Current tank losses confirmed by photo and video, 1646 to 449. Ukraine is likely somewhat underreported because they post a lot more photos/vids than the Russikes but still they are ahead.

Russian Tanks (1646, of which destroyed: 967, damaged: 75, abandoned: 59, captured: 545)

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html

Ukrainian Tanks (449, of which destroyed: 265, damaged: 24, abandoned: 16, captured: 144)

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...ukrainian.html

Thanks for that info.
So the tanks Germany and the US are talking about sending only replace 10% of Ukraine's tank losses?

[mack7.62]

Thanks for that info.
So the tanks Germany and the US are talking about sending only replace 10% of Ukraine's tank losses?

I think you are looking at this the wrong way, it's not a straight numbers game, Russia is replacing losses with Soviet era T-62's. Ukraine is replacing losses with Western MBT's that were always better than the Russian stuff look up the battle of 73 Easting. Of course the trick will be if they can employ them effectively in a combined arms assault with Western IFV's.

[DG23]

Thanks for that info.
So the tanks Germany and the US are talking about sending only replace 10% of Ukraine's tank losses?

Dude...

Stop that crap. USkraine is WINNING!!!

[DG23]

I think you are looking at this the wrong way, it's not a straight numbers game, Russia is replacing losses with...

The Ukrainian military has confirmed to Agence France-Presse (AFP) that it has withdrawn from the town of Soledar, a key point of resistance in the battle for Donbass. The Russian Defense Ministry had reported taking full control of the settlement by the evening of January 12.

“After months of heavy fighting, including over the past weeks, the Armed Forces of Ukraine left [Soledar] and retreated along the outskirts to pre-prepared positions,” military spokesman Sergey Cherevaty told the news outlet.

At least they did not try to call it an 'evacuation' this time...

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

We are going to see a lot of burning hulls of Leopard and Abrams tanks…

[seb5]

Thanks for that info.
So the tanks Germany and the US are talking about sending only replace 10% of Ukraine's tank losses?

It appears by that stat that Ukraine captured more tanks than they lost. Hmmm

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Thanks for that info.
So the tanks Germany and the US are talking about sending only replace 10% of Ukraine's tank losses?

It appears by that stat that Ukraine captured more tanks than they lost. Hmmm

While raw number count is important, percent of the overall force is too.

It sounds like Putin is going full Czar and looking to turn this into WWI style trench warfare. He keeps on rolling back his time frame on tactics, horse charges are next.

[1168]

It appears by that stat that Ukraine captured more tanks than they lost. Hmmm

Russia has continued to be a major supplier of tanks to Ukraine.

Edit: its important to note that Oryx only reports geolocated photo confirmed losses. They periodically scrub what they believe to be duplicates. So, actual numbers, on both sides, are likely to be higher, although the age of cellphones means that the discrepancy is likely to be minor. It is also likely that every captured tank is photo documented, so the numbers will be very close to spot on. What the raw numbers won’t show is how serviceable captured tanks are, or how much time, money, and man-hours it will take to make them serviceable again.