Russian invasion of Ukraine discussion

[Outlander Systems]

The Media:

“Denazification is a Kremlin talking point.”

The Media every day before February 23:



And yes, Kolomoisky is a corrupt POS. And yes, AZOG is truly Vanilla ISIS.

The Neo-Nazi Jewish connection isnt far from the truth. Look up Igor Kolomoisky(a jew) and follow the money trail to the Azov Battalion and Zelensky. I wonder if all those Azovs sporting swastika ink acting like its American History X really know who they're fighting for and who is bank rolling them. There are no 'good guys' is this fight. As soon as we realize that we can stop pouring money into the endless black hole that is Ukraine.

[Alpha-17]

How much of the 40 bil is cash, how much is M777's, HIMARS, 155 artillery ammo, paying for C-17 deliveries, still think we are getting a better return on investment than we will with the 200 bil infrastructure bs.

The vast majority of the $40B that has been sent has been in the form of weapon and supply deliveries. The US government, as well as several EU countries and the UK have give direct financial aid to the Ukrainian government to help keep them afloat, but it's a much smaller amount than the material aid. At least, as far as I've seen. I'm sure there will be a certain amount lost to corruption, (the supposed Javelins on the dark web, for instance, or Zelensky's staffer's assistant's former college roommate's dog groomer will end up with a bunch of cash) but that's sadly par for the course.

[glocktogo]

It is possible to not like Biden and still be okay with the US giving aide to a country fighting our enemy. I didnt like Obama, but sending guys in to smoke Bin Laden in Pakistan was a move I liked.

I think it's mostly the appearance of sunk cost fallacy with Ukraine. It's a very expensive conflict. By comparison, the initial war on al Qaeda and their Taliban hosts was a relatively low cost, high ROI endeavor. Everything after that up to the Abbottabad raid was sunk cost fallacy. The Abbottabad raid was again relatively low coast, high ROI, but then we went right back to another decade of sunk cost fallacy. We wasted trillions of dollars and thousands of US personnel's lives on stupid stuff.

So will we look back on Ukraine and say the pretenses were as bad as the Iraq WMD's? It's quite possible the answer is yes. Is it hella expensive? It's not GWOT expensive, but it's still not a solid ROI. Except for one thing. With the weapons the US and NATO have provided Ukrainian forces, they've done miracles against the biggest conventional military threat in Europe. I stand by the position that Ukraine, armed with NATO weapons, has set the Russian conventional military back 50 years. If Putin had designs on reclaiming more of the USSR buffer nations before, that design has been fairly wiped out now. If he moved against let's say Poland, he wouldn't have enough materials left now to get very far at all.

So rather than view this as a sunk cost fallacy if Ukraine loses or forces Russia into negotiations over lost territory, view it as a decent ROI for all the hurt it's put on Russia and Putin. Because this is a win for the West regardless of the final lines drawn on a map.

[Wake27]

I think it's mostly the appearance of sunk cost fallacy with Ukraine. It's a very expensive conflict. By comparison, the initial war on al Qaeda and their Taliban hosts was a relatively low cost, high ROI endeavor. Everything after that up to the Abbottabad raid was sunk cost fallacy. The Abbottabad raid was again relatively low coast, high ROI, but then we went right back to another decade of sunk cost fallacy. We wasted trillions of dollars and thousands of US personnel's lives on stupid stuff.

So will we look back on Ukraine and say the pretenses were as bad as the Iraq WMD's? It's quite possible the answer is yes. Is it hella expensive? It's not GWOT expensive, but it's still not a solid ROI. Except for one thing. With the weapons the US and NATO have provided Ukrainian forces, they've done miracles against the biggest conventional military threat in Europe. I stand by the position that Ukraine, armed with NATO weapons, has set the Russian conventional military back 50 years. If Putin had designs on reclaiming more of the USSR buffer nations before, that design has been fairly wiped out now. If he moved against let's say Poland, he wouldn't have enough materials left now to get very far at all.

So rather than view this as a sunk cost fallacy if Ukraine loses or forces Russia into negotiations over lost territory, view it as a decent ROI for all the hurt it's put on Russia and Putin. Because this is a win for the West regardless of the final lines drawn on a map.

Fully agree, though I think most Americans will look at it better than WMDs maybe in Iraq. We’re watching our number 1-2 competitor since 1945 hit a partner’s civilian targets over and over.


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[mack7.62]

The Neo-Nazi Jewish connection isnt far from the truth. Look up Igor Kolomoisky(a jew) and follow the money trail to the Azov Battalion and Zelensky. I wonder if all those Azovs sporting swastika ink acting like its American History X really know who they're fighting for and who is bank rolling them. There are no 'good guys' is this fight. As soon as we realize that we can stop pouring money into the endless black hole that is Ukraine.

There is a difference between "bad" and "evil", one side in this conflict is showing themselves to be truly evil and fighting evil is necessary IMO. And I doubt there is much confusion on the Ukrainian side about what they are fighting for.

[tn1911]

Turkey agrees to back Finland and Sweden's bid to join alliance

https://news.sky.com/story/nato-turk...nce-12642100?/

[The Dumb Gun Collector]

Turkey agrees to back Finland and Sweden's bid to join alliance

https://news.sky.com/story/nato-turk...nce-12642100?/

Smooth move Putin. What an idiot that man is.

[Diamondback]

Turkey agrees to back Finland and Sweden's bid to join alliance

https://news.sky.com/story/nato-turk...nce-12642100?/

What's the catch? There's ALWAYS one with Erdogan...

[tn1911]

What's the catch? There's ALWAYS one with Erdogan...

I’m guessing those F-16’s turkey has been eyeing for a while now...

EDIT: looks like I might be right.

Erdogan will discuss 'stalled' F-16 deal with Biden at NATO meet

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/erdog...084526913.html

[tn1911]

Smooth move Putin. What an idiot that man is.

I’m sure the kremlins M4Carbine wing will be along shortly to tell us this is all fake.