Civilian finds loaded M4 in unlocked National Guard vehicle.

[murphy j]

Holy shit. We’re kicking people left and right.


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We have a number within our company, and across the state that will not be allowed to return after tomorrow due to the deadline for accepting a jab of questionable safety and efficacy. We also have a battalion from Nebraska now wearing our unit patch, and falling under our brigades headquarters due to that states low numbers. I know as a state, our numbers have been strained so badly in recent memory, that we've been on the chopping block a couple times. If I retired tomorrow, I would still be carried on the books for a least a year to keep our numbers up.

[ThirdWatcher]

Why would you leave an unsecure weapon in an unlocked vehicle?

Normally you wouldn’t. If I saw it, I would have locked the doors and called it good. I damn sure wouldn’t call the media.

I lock my doors (home and vehicles) but as my Dad taught me, all a lock does is keep an honest man honest.

[SteyrAUG]

Someone will take the fall, probably the service members who signed for those rifles, and maybe the first line leader, but seriously doubt anyone will get booted. The NG, like the rest of the Army has a serious retention problem and need to keep their numbers on paper up. I'm a currently serving member of the OKARNG, and it took three failed UA's, and close to a year, to get a packet for separation processed for a kid in the platoon I took over. Even with three failed UA's, and fourth while the packet was being processed, when it landed on the desk of the responsible person at state, they still called us asking if we wanted to retain the kid.

Karen's that need to be prosecuted aside, the NG member who left the rifle in a running vehicle at a known problematic location probably does need a sit down and a "what the F were you thinking" pop quiz.

[SteyrAUG]

Why would you leave an unsecure weapon in an unlocked vehicle?

I can think of a few valid reasons, but doesn't sound like any of them were actually happening. I've walked through unsecured scenes with dozens of unattended vehicles all still running many with the doors still wide open. I could have drove off with any one of them, I'm sure I could have popped trunks and had access to patrol carbines and other cool goodies.

At the time all of the LEOs were 20 yards away working on trying to keep people alive.

[Twilk73]

She thought that was one of the free left behind Biden m4’s.

[ThirdWatcher]

Karen's that need to be prosecuted aside, the NG member who left the rifle in a running vehicle at a known problematic location probably does need a sit down and a "what the F were you thinking" pop quiz.

Exactly right. My guess is it’s a mistake of the head, not a mistake of the heart. Counseling followed by documentation and if it’s an isolated incident shred the doc sheet after a year (at least that’s how I would have handled it in LE).

[SteyrAUG]

Exactly right. My guess is it’s a mistake of the head, not a mistake of the heart. Counseling followed by documentation and if it’s an isolated incident shred the doc sheet after a year (at least that’s how I would have handled it in LE).

Sounds reasonable. Hopefully it plays something close to that.

[utahjeepr]

As a 1stSgt once said, "It's less about shitting your shorts and more about how far up the flagpole those dirty shorts got flown."

[1_click_off]

As a 1stSgt once said, "It's less about shitting your shorts and more about how far up the flagpole those dirty shorts got flown."

That right there is sig line material if I ever saw it.

[T2C]

Exactly right. My guess is it’s a mistake of the head, not a mistake of the heart. Counseling followed by documentation and if it’s an isolated incident shred the doc sheet after a year (at least that’s how I would have handled it in LE).

That's a solid way to handle the issue. Unless the soldier was a chronic foul up, there is no reason to go any further.

During operational briefings, I would caution personnel working in the area that some of the locals have a hard on for them and they need to keep their shit strack.