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    The "Good Old Days" Paradox...

    It seems that once you reach a certain age, you yearn to relive your time in a world that mostly no longer exists.

    While some simply mourn their childhood and wish to return to a sheltered life where somebody else was responsible for their well being, others recognize the loss of many actual things from quality of life to enjoyed freedoms.

    Most of us will never know the freedoms our parents enjoyed and even fewer can comprehend the freedoms out grandparents enjoyed. And almost without exception, life was "mostly" better. Now obviously if you were a child during the depression of the 1930s you probably vastly preferred life in post war America and if you were born into slavery but found a better life after abolition then obviously your "good old days" wouldn't have been so grand.

    But the result for most of us is we feel like we were born too late, that we mostly "missed it" and are now living in the decline of our civilization despite any technological advances we might enjoy. Some of us would chuck it all, M4s and modern medicine included, for a chance to have lived in the 1950s or even frontier America because we feel we would have enjoyed a higher quality of life and been more fulfilled.

    But there is a problem, say you could have gone back to be born at a time when you'd have been young during the 50s, lived your middle age in the 80s and passed on before everything went to shit culturally. Even during the 80s, when most of us consider things to have been "almost perfect" you would have a new perspective and still miss the 50s even more and you'd be willing to trade it all to have gone back "one generation" prior.

    Even if you went back to frontier days when land was given free to homesteaders and you were able to live as you wished, hunt and gather to survive and live an existence that some millionaire would give everything to have been able to have known, you'd still have an earlier experience that was likely idealized and preferred (unless of course you lived through some great difficulty as a child) and you'd probably be willing to trade it all to have gone back "one generation" prior.

    Now I'm not saying everyone in the 80s desperately wanted to return to the 70s, most of us realized that with few "specific exceptions" it sucked. But we might have traded video games, 80's new wave and Reagan for malt shops, 50's rock and Eisenhower because it seemed like a simpler time when we might have been more successful, more fulfilled. Some of us would have willingly gone back even further. Myself, I still think I'd have needed television.

    Now I think the future will always be a mix of great leaps in technology, some cultural advances and possibly even some new guarantees on freedoms not completely enjoyed, but always with the eventual increase in governmental control and as a result we will always miss the "good old days" even if we don't realize that no matter when we are born, we'd still probably be nostalgic about a period of our youth or even a time before we were born that we only heard about from our parents or grandparents.
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    Do yourself a favor and turn off the TV, grab your fishing pole and spend some time outdoors. Life is great here in America.
    Politicians, actors, news, can kiss my ass I don’t need their bullshit in my life.

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    I remember one of the final lines from The Office: "I wish there was a way you could know you were in the 'good old days' before you were out of them." Of course, everybody's "good old days" are different. And often one person's good old days were another person's years of hell. My "good old days" were from 2003 to 2008. From 2000 to 2003, my early high school years were shit. I was an outcast, a weirdo, and nobody liked me. In Fall of 2003, I was a high school senior and I had just finally found a group of close friends. In 2006, I began dating my now-wife. In 2007 I traveled to Greece and Turkey as part of my major. During all this time I kept my old friends, made new friends in college, and just generally was very happy in my college years. In 2008, my wife and I got engaged. In June, DC v. Heller happened. Then in the Fall of 2008, the Recession hit, Obama was elected, and everything started going downhill, and my good old days were over.

    The thing is, to many, if not most, the mid-2000s were not "good old days." Maybe compared to today they were, but we were in the middle of two wars with no exit strategy, the unification we had after 9/11 was quickly fraying, the government was finding ways to clamp down on freedom in the name of antiterrorism, and we didn't even have a settled case recognizing our rights to own firearms. So not all was well. But for my personal life, it was a great time.
    Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who do not.-Ben Franklin

    there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.-Samwise Gamgee

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    I'm 53. No time in my life has been "better", just different. I'm having the time of my life right now. People lament about the "good old days" and I love to point out the historical bullshit that happened within the time period they consider the "good old days".

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKDoug View Post
    I'm 53. No time in my life has been "better", just different. I'm having the time of my life right now. People lament about the "good old days" and I love to point out the historical bullshit that happened within the time period they consider the "good old days".
    I did try to make that point, that no matter what "idealized" period of time you think is better, there was always some bad shit going on. Some times of my life have been "better" and even though things are "pretty ok" now, they can always be even better. I've certainly had harder times.

    Also I think these things are pretty relative. During the best points of my life, somewhere somebody was dealing with horrible shit. And talk to somebody who had to grow up in Cuba, East Germany or similar and you realize sometimes just having a nice pizza and a coke is a pretty good day. Also had a friend who was an engineer in the military and he had a saying that kind of stuck with me "if you're not on fire...you are having a really good day."
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    How I long for the 70's & 80's again. I KNEW I was living my best time then.
    Every time my myself & my now almost 50 year best friends get together...we just nearly cry at how ****ing INSANE this once greatest country on Earth has become.
    In MY lifetime we've completely changed to an almost unrecognizable form of existence.
    Thankfully- it hasnt filtered down to my locale yet...but one day it will.
    For those of us who were here for the change- THATS why we are more pissed than those of you who werent...WE KNOW whats been lost, what was & what could still be.
    I had a wonderful, blessed childhood, in a wonderfully boring, safe, sane place, that still is.
    Myself- I blame the US. media as the primary instigator in the downfall of this country. Followed closely by institutions of supposed higher learning, then liberal/leftist courts. I loathe media.
    ALMOST all of it. I havent had "tv" in years & wont. Im very selective on what I read & trust online.
    I only listen to handpicked music and genres of songs that I like. Probably never go to a theater again, as I wish nothing but fire & brimstone upon Hollywood. I DETEST sports, period.
    Ive idealized nothing..simply stated fact. This country..this world was better back then. NO WAY the perversions we are allowing now could happen back then.
    And whats sad..is its only gonna get worse & worse over time. May/may not have a short reprieve ever now & then..but over time, and not slowly either, we will keep disintegrating.
    The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than the cowards they really are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotbiggun42 View Post
    Do yourself a favor and turn off the TV, grab your fishing pole and spend some time outdoors. Life is great here in America.
    Politicians, actors, news, can kiss my ass I don’t need their bullshit in my life.
    Spent most of the day in the garage with some wood working projects, and it is during things like that (or fishing if I did it) that I tend to think up crap like the above. I never said life wasn't very good, hell I spent most of the day working on crap in my garage.

    I did watch a movie though, and it was pretty enjoyable.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotbiggun42 View Post
    Do yourself a favor and turn off the TV, grab your fishing pole and spend some time outdoors. Life is great here in America.
    Politicians, actors, news, can kiss my ass I don’t need their bullshit in my life.
    I like to go down to the river and shoot turtles. Is that wrong?

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    This thread reminds me of my childhood...Sitting around listening to Weird Al...Good times.

    Oh, some times I think back to when I was younger
    Life was so much simpler then
    Dad would be up at dawn, he'd be watering the lawn
    Or maybe going fishing again

    Oh, and mom would be fixing up something in the kitchen
    Fresh biscuits or hot apple pie
    And I'd spend all day long in the basement
    Torturing rats with a hacksaw and pulling the wings off of flies

    Those were the good old days
    The years go by but the memory stays
    And those were the good old days
    Actually, now that I think about it, things sucked back then about as much as they do now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotbiggun42 View Post
    Do yourself a favor and turn off the TV, grab your fishing pole and spend some time outdoors. Life is great here in America.
    Politicians, actors, news, can kiss my ass I don’t need their bullshit in my life.
    Yeah, i dont care anymore... if anything Im thankfull for our times. Ill live my life, have some kids and raise them without public schools and crap on TV. I'm gonna do what I want.

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