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Thread: KY -domestic violence call goes south 7 cops, 1 EMA shot. 2 police and 1 K-9 KIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    He apparently tripped on his way to the cruiser though (if you've seen the jail booking photo).

    https://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...tucky-shooting

    Hey, shit happens. Probably lucky he's alive (at least in this decade).
    I don't imagine he was arrested without resistance.
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    Why is it that DV calls so often result in a lethal threat to peace officers? WTH?

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    Has he been pigeon holed as a mentally ill person yet?

    It should take the cops one week to investigate, the next week he gets tried, the 3rd week he gets the chair. This doesn't sound like a complicated case...he's a mad dog.

    My sincere condolences to the families of the murdered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buncheong View Post
    Why is it that DV calls so often result in a lethal threat to peace officers? WTH?
    During my years as a cop I answered an untold number of DV calls. Maybe 20 went south requiring force, none ever required lethal force. Now some of the arrestees did require a quick visit to the local ER. One in particular I recall involved a toaster oven being thrown at me followed by me destroying a old skool 6 cell maglight in a manor that might not have been within dept. policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1911 View Post
    During my years as a cop I answered an untold number of DV calls. Maybe 20 went south requiring force, none ever required lethal force. Now some of the arrestees did require a quick visit to the local ER. One in particular I recall involved a toaster oven being thrown at me followed by me destroying a old skool 6 cell maglight in a manor that might not have been within dept. policy.
    Gotta live to fight another day.

    Seems like a M79 Grenade Launcher might have come in handy if the suspect was alone. I’ve never liked the thought of sacrificing a firefighter’s life to save property, why should LE be any different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdWatcher View Post
    Gotta live to fight another day.

    Seems like a M79 Grenade Launcher might have come in handy if the suspect was alone. I’ve never liked the thought of sacrificing a firefighter’s life to save property, why should LE be any different?
    Exactly, once you can confirm it's just the suspect then gas that ****er out or if he wants to go full retard then let the snipers or SWAT deal with him. But in this case it seems he truly wanted to bang it out with RO's on scene in some final blaze of glory. Treat him like any other active shooter and just kill him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buncheong View Post
    Why is it that DV calls so often result in a lethal threat to peace officers? WTH?
    Because it's such a non defined situation with such a wide spectrum of variables. It's not like rolling up on a known bank robbery or going after a drug dealer where there is a reasonable assumption of violence.

    Some domestics are just people "being loud" and they simply need to be separated and calmed down, others are right at the point of one person getting ready to kill another person, but at the initial contact they can both look identical but they need to be treated very differently.

    This might be the most monday morning QB event in an LE experience, and when somebody gets killed everyone says "should have known better", but the reality is if you respond to every DV call and treat the initial contact like somebody who is getting ready to shoot you, you are gonna escalate half of the "nothing burgers" into an actual event and you'd never survive your probationary year because you'd have 57 formal complaints against you in the first six months.

    The reality of police work is nobody is going to tell you they intend to try and kill you and the most dangerous ones hide it the best. But at the same time everyone working is limited by an escalation of force criteria that must be satisfied before they can proceed to lethal force and a lot of guys end up dead before they mentally arrive at that determination. Balance that with drawing down on some old lady that seemed loud and aggressive only to discover she's yelling because she is very hard of hearing, didn't even know it was police officers who were the strangers in her front yard and that was a cell phone in her hands, not a weapon.

    Sometimes police work can be a real shit show, most of the time officers are simply surviving the odds despite the operating restrictions they must function under. Thankfully most people aren't really and truly "bad guys" because anyone competent and coherent who wishes to ambush and kill a police officer is probably going to be mostly successful. And cops who overreact sometimes shoot innocent people (or at least people doing bad stuff but not bad enough they deserve to be shot) and cops who under react end of getting killed by those who catch them off guard. There is no safe middle ground but there is a hell of a lot of room for overlap.

    The most true thing I ever heard taught at a police academy is "anything you do can get you killed, and that includes doing nothing."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Because it's such a non defined situation with such a wide spectrum of variables. It's not like rolling up on a known bank robbery or going after a drug dealer where there is a reasonable assumption of violence.

    Some domestics are just people "being loud" and they simply need to be separated and calmed down, others are right at the point of one person getting ready to kill another person, but at the initial contact they can both look identical but they need to be treated very differently.

    This might be the most monday morning QB event in an LE experience, and when somebody gets killed everyone says "should have known better", but the reality is if you respond to every DV call and treat the initial contact like somebody who is getting ready to shoot you, you are gonna escalate half of the "nothing burgers" into an actual event and you'd never survive your probationary year because you'd have 57 formal complaints against you in the first six months.

    The reality of police work is nobody is going to tell you they intend to try and kill you and the most dangerous ones hide it the best. But at the same time everyone working is limited by an escalation of force criteria that must be satisfied before they can proceed to lethal force and a lot of guys end up dead before they mentally arrive at that determination. Balance that with drawing down on some old lady that seemed loud and aggressive only to discover she's yelling because she is very hard of hearing, didn't even know it was police officers who were the strangers in her front yard and that was a cell phone in her hands, not a weapon.

    Sometimes police work can be a real shit show, most of the time officers are simply surviving the odds despite the operating restrictions they must function under. Thankfully most people aren't really and truly "bad guys" because anyone competent and coherent who wishes to ambush and kill a police officer is probably going to be mostly successful. And cops who overreact sometimes shoot innocent people (or at least people doing bad stuff but not bad enough they deserve to be shot) and cops who under react end of getting killed by those who catch them off guard. There is no safe middle ground but there is a hell of a lot of room for overlap.

    The most true thing I ever heard taught at a police academy is "anything you do can get you killed, and that includes doing nothing."
    TRUTH. When I went to the Academy, we all remembered the JFK assassination and we were told that if POTUS could be assassinated, ANYONE could be assassinated, including us.

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    Thanks much for the professional insights and education - much obliged, Gentlemen.

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    I'm guessing the police didn't know the shooter was alone in the house? The shootout went on for hours. There comes a time to deploy 'burners' (CS).
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