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    OP, yes, you should easily be able to hit the paper plate.

    Here's a ballistics chart to help you.

    http://gundata.org/blog/post/7.62x39...listics-chart/

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    Others have answered your question, but cause you are new...


    1) This is not an AR question, so it would be better placed in "Other semi-auto rifles" further down the menu.

    2) It's WASR not waser, and it's an AK. Not said as a grind, but just in case you don't know.

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    I was at the range with my Zastava AK. Shooting off a bag I was hitting a 500m silhouette target at a rate of about 1 every 5 shots, even using cheap Tula. At 300 and in a WASR or any other decent AK that's zeroed is plenty accurate. There's lots of ways to zero one, and the real AK nerds geek out about the Soviet battle zero. Because I'm lazy and the AK is just a fun gun for me I zero it at 25 meters with the sights set for 200 meters, that gets me in the ballpark using the graduations on the irons. Depending on how you have your scope mounted a 25 meter zero on the optic should work about the same, basically a 25/200 type zero (as opposed to a 50/200 with the flatter shooting 5.56). With the increased height over bore from an optic you'll probably be pretty high at 100 but a 6 o'clock or "belt buckle" hold should work.

    That said, I get that we have to deal with limitations in training facilities, but if you aren't practicing at 100 with that gun I wouldn't try to use it in a serious situation at that distance. For defensive use, you're most likely talking less than 50 yard shots though. I personally would just role with irons and a bright white light if I was using an AK as a defensive rifle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by titsonritz View Post
    Hmmm, seems like a legit AR General Discussion topic.
    New guy. Give him some slack. Educate, correct. Mods can move if deemed necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggammell View Post
    Why the hell do you use a crosshair tactical scope on an AK? Particularly when your intended purpose is close range?
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    Yo, I put a LPVO on an AK!

    Wasn't as good as a RDS at close range of course.

    As for longer range
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    I'll never forget shooting against the clock in front of people, at an IPSC steel 275 yds away with a hot barrel, Russian ammo, on a windy day, from a kneel.

    That shit was embarrassing. That was my last AK.

    Before that I did try one 5.45 AK but it wasn't built right. Ejector welded in the wrong spot I think. Got it cheap & sold it cheap with disclosure.

    7.62 AK's are a powerful submachine gun and that's how they should be used. (Semi if that's what you have of course)
    They replaced the PPSH IMO.
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    I have 3 AK's, 2 from Arsenal and one Bulgarian build. The two with RDS shoot pretty decent for AK's. Irons, I can't shoot. I'm thinking 2-2.5 MOA. Might have to drag them out this weekend to recheck for grins. AK are not accurate but they would work just fine in the house, I mean that's point and shoot territory, in my house at least.

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    I have carried an AK for real, and I have been shot at by AKs for real. I don't own an AK but I own a PTR 32 which uses AK mags and of course ammo.

    I don't know what your financial situation is like, but if you can swing an AR I would tell you it would be a good move.

    The AR/M16 from my perspective is an easier platform to use under stress than the AK. The AR is also possessing more inherent accuracy, than the AK.

    You can get it done with an AK, you just need to work at it harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron3 View Post
    Yo, I put a LPVO on an AK!

    Wasn't as good as a RDS at close range of course.

    As for longer range
    ..

    I'll never forget shooting against the clock in front of people, at an IPSC steel 275 yds away with a hot barrel, Russian ammo, on a windy day, from a kneel.

    That shit was embarrassing. That was my last AK.

    Before that I did try one 5.45 AK but it wasn't built right. Ejector welded in the wrong spot I think. Got it cheap & sold it cheap with disclosure.

    7.62 AK's are a powerful submachine gun and that's how they should be used. (Semi if that's what you have of course)
    They replaced the PPSH IMO.
    So there is a lot of barrel whip in the AK design, but we had a AK guy in one of our carbine clubs and he ran a 100 series and typically scored in the top 5 ahead of lots of really good shooters running ARs. Now I believe he had to work a little harder to do that given relative magazine changes and manual of arms, but he still did it.

    I think Glocks are kind of shit as "precision" shooters, but lots of guys do really well with their Glocks just the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    So there is a lot of barrel whip in the AK design, but we had a AK guy in one of our carbine clubs and he ran a 100 series and typically scored in the top 5 ahead of lots of really good shooters running ARs. Now I believe he had to work a little harder to do that given relative magazine changes and manual of arms, but he still did it.

    I think Glocks are kind of shit as "precision" shooters, but lots of guys do really well with their Glocks just the same.
    Yea.

    Speaking of mag changes, I recall another shooting stage where the point seemed to be "let's **** with anyone not using an AR because we want to be an AR-only club" where shooters "raced" each other with reloads, 2 rds per mag vs 5 targets x2 IIRC.

    Using my AK I kept up with an experienced AR user for two mags and four shots but I doomed myself from the start because I wasn't "running my own race". My mind went from "You got this, you got this!" to "Your doing great! Now don't **** up, now don't **** up!"

    So of course I did bobble a mag change and that put me a couple seconds behind.

    As said, AR mag changes are easier to be consistently good at IF you follow procedure.

    The importance of a mag change for a CONUS civie? You be the judge. But if you must do one it's most likely due to a malfunction, damaged magazine, or inadvertently ejected magazine.

    Also, nobody should be attempting a mag replacement when taking fire and not behind any Cov or Con. So the chances of that slightly slower mag change from your slower than an AR rifle being the thing that ends you are pretty damn remote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron3 View Post
    Yea.

    Speaking of mag changes, I recall another shooting stage where the point seemed to be "let's **** with anyone not using an AR because we want to be an AR-only club" where shooters "raced" each other with reloads, 2 rds per mag vs 5 targets x2 IIRC.

    Using my AK I kept up with an experienced AR user for two mags and four shots but I doomed myself from the start because I wasn't "running my own race". My mind went from "You got this, you got this!" to "Your doing great! Now don't **** up, now don't **** up!"

    So of course I did bobble a mag change and that put me a couple seconds behind.

    As said, AR mag changes are easier to be consistently good at IF you follow procedure.

    The importance of a mag change for a CONUS civie? You be the judge. But if you must do one it's most likely due to a malfunction, damaged magazine, or inadvertently ejected magazine.

    Also, nobody should be attempting a mag replacement when taking fire and not behind any Cov or Con. So the chances of that slightly slower mag change from your slower than an AR rifle being the thing that ends you are pretty damn remote.
    Unless no cover or concealment exists and then you just do your best to try not to get shot and get back in the game.

    Stage shooting isn't real world, talk to anybody who has worked the two way range. But stage shooting is a decent training exercise to cover most of the bases for most real world events.

    If you run AKs and know AKs you will be fine with AKs. Same deal with FALs and HKs. MP5s has slower mag changes and manual of arms than ARs, but I used to beat experienced shooters anyway. It's not because the MP5 is suddenly better, it's because there are so many other factors in staged shooting that it became an almost negligible factor.

    I call it the Jerry Effect. I don't care what you are running, give Jerry a sub compact Glock or S&W wheel gun and he is still going to school you...HARD.
    Last edited by SteyrAUG; 07-15-22 at 21:25.
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