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    Why aren’t there more OTMs in 5.56

    The vast majority of heavy OTMs seem to be .223. Why don’t more companies make 5.56 variants? My basic understanding of ballistics would make me think that if a shooter was trying to push distance and possibly fight wind, a higher pressure loading would increase muzzle velocity and achieve those effects better. Magtechs 262 clone is one of the few that seems like it’s moving quickly. Why not more?

    ETA - meant IMI’s 262 clone, not Magtech.

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    I don't think the magtech 77gr is available anymore.

    I have a couple hundred of S&B 5.56 77gr OTM to try out.
    Looks like their own projectile and not a SMK like the IMI.
    A bit faster than the IMI on paper anyway.

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    If a factory doesn't make their own precision bullets they have to buy from an outside source (i.e., Hornady, Sierra, Berger, Barnes, Lapua, etc.), cutting into profit margin and depending on an outside source.

    The market sells cargo ship loads of cheap blaster ball (including steel case). People who want match-grade typically load their own.

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    I have tons of 5.56mm pressured OTM.

    I made it.

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    I mean.... What are we using to differentiate 223 vs 556? Pressure? Velocity?

    I think it really boils down to: good 556 is harder to make than it looks like. Go on youtube and watch the "Cloning mk262" reloading series where a guy tries dozens of very popular powders and you realize how hard it really is to get close to factory 262 much less beat it. Lastly when making truly hot loads its hard for a large manufacturer to know what guns/chambers these are going into. As reloaders we get to work up loads for the exact barrel they going in. A manufacture just doesn't have that. Recently while shooting my buddy had Berger factory 73 gr that normally perform very well for him start popping primers bad once it got over 100*. It's not as easy as it seems. To avoid all these issues a commercial reloader will just find a lower and safer node.

    IIRC I got 77gr reloads from freedom munitions and they made like 2450 FPS from my 14.5. I had a load that makes 2700 FPS FROM A 14.5 in my load development book but I know NO commercial maker would send that out to anyone.
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    Step one for true 5.56mm is crimped GI primers (typically a CCI 450 or a #34 military).

    Western powders publishes their 5.56mm load data:



    I prefer Varget for 77s, and that data comes from trading between competitive highpower rifle shooters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinister View Post
    ...crimped GI primers (typically a CCI 450 or a #34 military).
    Minor point, but isn't #41 the small rifle primer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_f View Post
    Minor point, but isn't #41 the small rifle primer?
    Dang. Thought I'd fixed that before posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake27 View Post
    The vast majority of heavy OTMs seem to be .223. Why don’t more companies make 5.56 variants? My basic understanding of ballistics would make me think that if a shooter was trying to push distance and possibly fight wind, a higher pressure loading would increase muzzle velocity and achieve those effects better. Magtechs 262 clone is one of the few that seems like it’s moving quickly. Why not more? ETA - meant IMI’s 262 clone, not Magtech. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    In no particular order,

    Shooters use 5.56 ammo in .223 bolt guns or suspect chambers locking them up, dropping primers, calling to complain. I think this is less than cited but still a factor.
    Shooter knowledge or ability isn't enough to produce the gain. Normal .223 pressures and velocities are fine for those.
    Shooters stretching loads out and seeing the gains are probably reloading.
    Faster isn't always better. Bullets may prefer a certain velocity window. (Even when present, may be small enough to escape knowledge/ability.)
    When we talk about a "5.56" variant, are we talking about just speed, or other stuff too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ST911 View Post
    Faster isn't always better. Bullets may prefer a certain velocity window.
    This. We load our OTMs slower than we could because the accuracy is a little better for us.
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