Uvalde video released - UPDATE - Arrendondo terminated

[WillBrink]

My problem with the death penalty is our government isn’t sufficiently evolved to be trusted with such power over its citizens.

Agreed. "On paper" I don't have an issue with it per se, but as humans are involved, the fact that a surprisingly high % are innocent, the fact it's not given equally, often convicted on surprisingly poor evidence, they sit there for decades costing crazy $, often die of old age, etc, etc, = I don't support it.

Are you saying in the case of wrongful convictions?

Among a long list of fails...

[tn1911]

Are you saying in the case of wrongful convictions?

Wrongful convictions is a umbrella term that encompasses a laundry list of problems and failures that pollutes the criminal justice system.

[jsbhike]

Wrongful convictions is a umbrella term that encompasses a laundry list of problems and failures that pollutes the criminal justice system.

That's where I am at on it.

Also, don't forget members of the ruling class that effectively go unscathed when they commit crimes.

[Wake27]

That's where I am at on it.

Also, don't forget members of the ruling class that effectively go unscathed when they commit crimes.

That doesn't really play into opposing the death penalty though.

[LoboTBL]

The death penalty is not meant to be a deterrent or at least it shouldn't be considered to be one. It's called Capital Punishment, not Capital Deterrence or Rehabilitation. Properly applied in cases of absolute guilt beyond all reasonable doubt... I'm 100% in favor of it without exception. Actually, I believe there are crimes and levels of recidivism that should be eligible for the death penalty that currently aren't.

[jsbhike]

The Atlanta cop, Garrett Rolf, who shot Rawshard Brooks in the Wendy’s parking lot, that set off waves of “peaceful protests” was not only charged with shooting Brooks but also charged because one of his rounds struck an occupied vehicle…not even another person, just a vehicle. So, yes, there are DAs that will gleefully charge a PO…warranted or not. Hell, a former DA where I was an officer 20+ years ago stated that police officers are people that wanted to be lawyers, but weren’t smart enough, and that his favorite thing is prosecuting officers.

Rolf/Brooks may depend on when taser shot #2 was fired and charged is a long way from convicted. While I have seen crap from prosecutors(such as going after a cop for shooting a driver about to run over them) the norm seems to be blowing off an incident or charges that will obviously not hold up in court.

Someone on this forum(not you) got very pissed at me for pointing out during the Chauvin/Floyd case that Chauvin couldn't really claim it was a corrupt legal system without torpedoing any sympathy for his new found situation. To claim corruption at that point could not go without bringing up his previous 19 years dragging people in to thar very same system.

Curious how this latest(maybe?) one will turn out.

https://www.insider.com/denver-polic...hooting-2022-7

[jsbhike]

That doesn't really play into opposing the death penalty though.

Which part?

Opposing it due to the corruption of our legal system or that a significant part of our society is free to commit crimes at will with no punishment on their horizon?

While ruining some part of a person's life with a bogus term in prison is bad enough, there is nothing to remotely ameliorate death. There also doesn't seem to be any concerted effort to punish members of the system for wrongful convictions.

If the latter, that just gets on to the "not given equally" position Will Brink mentioned. I do think a large part of our crime problems are due to what is effectively a ruling class(top to bottom, elected, appointed, or pulling strings in the background) not being held accountable for their wrong doing.

[tn1911]

There also doesn't seem to be any concerted effort to punish members of the system for wrongful convictions.

The taxpayers are properly fleeced all the time for the sins of their keepers, but yes the main actors are well protected by absurd levels of immunity.

[Univibe]

Y'all are starting to sound like the 'Vibe!

We don't trust the .gov to deliver the mail, but we entrust it with our lives via authorizing the death penalty.

Lawyers say that one of the buffers here is that judges don't decide life vs. death; only a Jury can do that.

[pag23]

One crazy punk held off almost 400 police. Imagine what what a team of terrorists (like in Nairobi Dusit D2) could do.

But the military would then get involved and bring down the hammer...there is only so much LE can do