When they don't run away at the sight of a gun...

[SteyrAUG]

When was that again?

Maybe didn't exist where you grew up, but I can remember my high school parking lot in 1984 and seeing a few pickup trucks with back window gun racks. Mostly shotguns.

[HKGuns]

Maybe didn't exist where you grew up, but I can remember my high school parking lot in 1984 and seeing a few pickup trucks with back window gun racks. Mostly shotguns.

Yep all over the place.

Even …….GASP………in the high school parking lot.

[Averageman]

Maybe didn't exist where you grew up, but I can remember my high school parking lot in 1984 and seeing a few pickup trucks with back window gun racks. Mostly shotguns.

Arizona, 1975-1979. Everyday shotguns and lever action rifles.
You know you could stop for a cold one at the local bar and see no less than a dozen long guns in truck windows.

[P2Vaircrewman]

I think people are exaggerating the lengths needed to prevent firearms from being stolen from your home. Cover and concealment are as effective for securing firearms as they are for surviving a gunfight.

For the most part someone breaking into your home is going to be quick and take high value items that they can get out and get gone without bringing attention to themselves.

Are there criminals that will spend time to break into guns safes or even wheel them out on hand trucks and load them into a van? There sure are, but if that happens to you it’s probably because you let strangers know to much about yourself.

Now I’m sure I don’t have as many firearms as some of you, but I have enough that would require a pretty large safe. I do not have a safe because I do not want to have something that will draw attention to someone willing to break into my home. They might not make an attempt to get into it, but they now know it’s there. They may decide to be those who return with a hand truck and a van.

My setup conceals multiple rifles/sub guns/pistols on a rack system with cables and biometric padlocks. I also have handguns staged around my home. I know my method is effective because it’s been tested. My home was broken into years ago while my wife and I were at work. While walking the Officer through my home he asked if I had any firearms or if any had been taken. I was happy to reply everything was still here.

Now I realize it’s not feasible for everyone to build secret rooms into their home to store firearms. I do think it’s possible for most to conceal them or their safes to the point that they will not be found in the case of a break in. Is it convenient to have a safe in your bedroom closet? Sure is, but I promise you in a break in someone is going to see it. Then they know more about you then you want them to.

Suspended ceilings are not normally used in homes but I have a hall way with a suspended ceiling. I built a rack to hold rifles and handguns above the ceiling.

[glocktogo]

Sadly we had a relevant shooting in my area last night. Guy was eating in a restaurant when he saw a perp taking things out of his truck. He goes out to confront the perp, who then shoots him in the leg, with a gun taken from the guy's truck.

As stated earlier, some of us can't carry at work and may have a "truck gun" for the to-from commute. But once you're out of the exclusion zone, PUT IT ON and don't leave it in the vehicle when it's not locked in your garage. If you do and someone breaks into it, I'd recommend NOT confronting the perp, as you know they have a gun because they have YOUR gun.

https://www.newson6.com/story/62d4a0...rglary-suspect

[WillBrink]

Maybe didn't exist where you grew up, but I can remember my high school parking lot in 1984 and seeing a few pickup trucks with back window gun racks. Mostly shotguns.

Growing up in Brooklyn 70s/80s, it was a legit low intensity war zone, when crime in the US was far higher*. I was shot at twice, probably more than most LEOs will experience in their careers. I suspect your et al experiences is not related people being more "honorable" per se, but less crazy, less capable of taking individual responsibility for their actions, knowing they'd likely get a serious beat down if caught, and other factors unrelated to being "honorable" per se. Many (most?) people are as honorable as they have to be not to get end up in jail, lose jobs, get their a$$ kicked and so forth. My faith in humans as a species - being a student of history as you seem to be also - is not high. There's some great individual people, as a species, not so much...

* = While the media has people who can't be bothered to look at stats convinced it's WWIII out there. It was far worse a few decades ago. It has been climbing recently, not even close to peak.