M4C Dicken Drill Thread

[SteyrAUG]

This is gonna be my new thing.

Had a lot of favorites over the years like Hackathorn, El Presidente and the like. By the way Pew Pew Tactical is still a great resource.

Rehabing a rotator cuff injury but I set it up in the back yard so I could practice it dry, until I get to the range.

[Rogue556]

I like the neomag for that type of thing. I've used it in board shorts on vacation and gym shorts.

https://theneomag.com/shop-neomag/

You know, I actually forgot that these were a thing. I think I'm going to snag one and give it a try. Being able to also keep mags in my front pocket without sinking or shifting sideways would be nice.

I’m proud of you boys running irons on this. I’m absolutely gonna cheat and use a dot.

I REALLY wanted to run it with the dot, but curiosity got the best of me. I may wait a few days and run it again to compare.

(INB4 the RDS Staccato bros show up).

[john armond]

I like the neomag for that type of thing. I've used it in board shorts on vacation and gym shorts.

https://theneomag.com/shop-neomag/

Another option is from Desantis:

https://www.desantisholster.com/mag-packer/

It’s basically a pocket holster for mags. I do have to say, I don’t remember paying that much when I got mine years ago.

I am interested in the neomag now though.

[georgeib]

I’m proud of you boys running irons on this. I’m absolutely gonna cheat and use a dot.

Yeah, same here. But I think I'm going to challenge myself to turning the dot off and seeing if I can still do it with irons.

Been a while since I shot that far with a pistol, but I was dry firing this afternoon whilst aiming at the neighbor's mailbox across from my house, about 60 yards away. Hate to sound like an internet blowhard, but I seem to be able to hold the 2 moa dot on the 6" mailbox door while breaking the trigger without too much difficulty. Leads me to believe I should be able to pass your challenge.

Gonna go out to Wilson Shoals WMA on Tuesday and see how I really do. Will post the target. With red dot and without.

[GTF425]

The best wisdom I was given years ago is to trust the trigger control. I used to think about the distance when shooting handguns at 25+ yards, and a wise man broke it down that shot placement is nothing more than sight alignment and trigger control.

Not that anyone asked, but I figured it's relevant to a thread about medium range pistol marksmanship.

[gaijin]

Yes. It's ALL about "sight picture, trigger control".

An observation; Folks tend to stress less at shooting a 1" square or 2" circle at 3 to 7 yds than they do a USPSA target at 50 yds. Actually multiple hits at a small target close, are no more different or difficult than repeat hits at a larger target at distance. The "sight picture" is very similar.

Apparently the closer proximity is "Mentally easier" than the similarly difficult "shooting problem" of a large target at distance. A bonus of "small target close" is the ability to see your hits and diagnose what you're doing incorrectly or correctly.
I see people continually overthink what we see as "distance" shooting; compensating for DROP is common. Stop it. "Put the effing DOT, or Front Sight where you want the bullet to go and press the trigger".
A 9mm has inconsequential drop at 50 yds in relation to the shooting error most of us will induce.

If my guys suck at 40/50 yds, we shoot "small/close" and see improvement.
Generally the improvement in ability to make repeat hits at 50 yds improves rapidly and with far less ammo expenditure.

[pinzgauer]

I think another factor that scares folks off the 25-yard shots is because many are shooting indoors and the rain just kept intentionally dim. In bright light it gets a lot easier on the long targets like the videos recently posted here. (Not that we shouldn't practice in them lighting, but it does make the 25 yards a lot harder where the close position get more ambient light.

Of course you've got to get to 40 to 50 yards which very few indoor ranges have. We had a good 50 yard pistol range at Charlie Elliott wma in GA, but I understand they are converting it to a 5-25 yard. So for 25-50 yd pistol shooting will have to go on the rifle range.

I've been told they're converting rifle range to rail targets that you can set at any range from 5-100 and the range never has to go cold. This approach is probably coming soon to just about any of the public ranges. So enjoy your private ranges!

[Outlander Systems]

Last time I went to Clybel it was an absolute rathole/dump. They’re installing AMU-tier Kongsberg electronic targets as I type this. Place is gonna be banging.

I think another factor that scares folks off the 25-yard shots is because many are shooting indoors and the rain just kept intentionally dim. In bright light it gets a lot easier on the long targets like the videos recently posted here. (Not that we shouldn't practice in them lighting, but it does make the 25 yards a lot harder where the close position get more ambient light.

Of course you've got to get to 40 to 50 yards which very few indoor ranges have. We had a good 50 yard pistol range at Charlie Elliott wma in GA, but I understand they are converting it to a 5-25 yard. So for 25-50 yd pistol shooting will have to go on the rifle range.

I've been told they're converting rifle range to rail targets that you can set at any range from 5-100 and the range never has to go cold. This approach is probably coming soon to just about any of the public ranges. So enjoy your private ranges!

[Ron3]

Latest report is Dickinson took the first couple shots with a concrete pillar for support from a little beyond 40 yds. BG went down but was crawling like a stuck pig towards the bathroom.

Dickenson advanced, fired, advanced and fired, and was within 10 yds at the last shot.

[pinzgauer]

Last time I went to Clybel it was an absolute rathole/dump. They’re installing AMU-tier Kongsberg electronic targets as I type this. Place is gonna be banging.

They've been doing constant improvements over the last two to three years. The skeet and five stand range is fairly nice and lightly used.

We've been going there at least 10-15 years, and have seen the improvements but also seemed significantly increased crowds.

We also Dove and deer hunt there just due to familiarity.

Back on topic, when I read the 15 second time frame my immediate thought was the guy must be a deer hunter because in the East you only get about 10 to 15 seconds to see the deer decide to make the shot and then pull the trigger.

Dove hunting is even faster than that, many times you've just got five maybe 10 seconds to see it, clear it as a fair Target species and safety, and then make the shot. Then usually there's other fast follow-up shots.

That's why I joke when I hear anyone talking about mag capacity going to slow people down and prevent massacres, they've never been on a Georgia dove field. Or even deer hunted around a teenager with a lever action 30/30.

As soon as I take a shot dove hunting and not swinging on any other Dove I'm reloading without looking or thinking about it. (Dump pouch full of shells off my right hip). Sometimes I try to force a shell load and realize that I had already reloaded in the heat of the moment.

Side gate loaded lever actions could be almost as fast.