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    Winchester 64 gr 223 "Defense Tip"

    This would be the W223ST Silvertip variety. Anyone seen any testing done on this round? I can find nothing but Winchester ad copy. How similar is it to their XP Deer Season? Midway has a decent (for the current market) price on this with free shipping now.

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    The bullet looks very similar to the Deer Season. Havenít used .223, but I can tell you the .308 version of Deer Season does significant damage to deer. My cousin lost a whole shoulders worth of meat because of the blow out.

    I was able to find this on another site. About a third of the way down there is some good info someone posted on velocity, accuracy, penetration, and expansion testing.

    https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Wi...23-/16-761924/

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    Man, I really miss Doc Roberts with all these new-ammo threads coming up right now... also wish Molon would update his ammo research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperTwoSix View Post
    The bullet looks very similar to the Deer Season. Havenít used .223, but I can tell you the .308 version of Deer Season does significant damage to deer. My cousin lost a whole shoulders worth of meat because of the blow out.

    I was able to find this on another site. About a third of the way down there is some good info someone posted on velocity, accuracy, penetration, and expansion testing.

    https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Wi...23-/16-761924/
    Thanks for the link. It does look like XP. I had a Weatherby in .308 that favored the 150gr XP. That is a devastating bullet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Man, I really miss Doc Roberts with all these new-ammo threads coming up right now
    Oh he's around...just not here

    One of the most epic M4C soap operas IMHO...

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    Last update I saw to The List was early 2016.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    wish Molon would update his ammo research.

    Winchester 64 Grain Defense Tip






    This is Winchesterís latest addition to their self-defense lineup of ammunition. It utilizes a 64 grain polymer tipped bullet with a heavy collet crimp at the case-mouth. The base of the polymer tip of this projectile has the largest diameter of any 223 Remington/5.56mm load that Iíve tested and of course the bullet is nickel plated.








    A 10-shot group of this ammunition fired from my Lothar Walther barreled AR-15 at a distance of 100 yards had an extreme spread of 1.17Ē. When chronographed from a 20" Colt barrel, this load had a muzzle velocity of 2892 FPS with a standard deviation of 26 FPS.





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    Thanks, Molon--no offense intended, just seemed like between you and Doc there were quite a few new loads that hadn't been evaluated and several years of no activity.

    Granted, ammo development seems to go long periods static then new stuff drops as a cluster all at once...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Man, I really miss Doc Roberts with all these new-ammo threads coming up right now... also wish Molon would update his ammo research.
    Would be awesome if someone knew Doc Roberts and could entice him back into the fold- & IMMEDIATELY 86 anyone who starts anymore shit with him or Molon. These guys bring FACTS & INFO and are very needed here. Molon- thank you for coming back, sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSTRN View Post
    This would be the W223ST Silvertip variety. Anyone seen any testing done on this round? I can find nothing but Winchester ad copy. How similar is it to their XP Deer Season? Midway has a decent (for the current market) price on this with free shipping now.
    I have not seen any ballistic testing on it; however looking at what Winchester has listed, there are variations in the design of those particular bullets.

    https://winchester.com/Products/Ammu...terfire/W223ST

    In my opinion this is the same bullet used in the below round without the silver coating.

    https://winchester.com/Products/Ammu...Deer-Season-XP

    Versus the actual Silvertip that is traditional to Winchester hunting ammunition.

    https://winchester.com/Products/Ammu...stic-Silvertip
    Last edited by davidjinks; 09-02-22 at 17:41. Reason: Correction on color

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