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    Quote Originally Posted by Jellybean View Post
    I have never, in recent memory, seen a Republican who can perform the sort of verbal body-throw jiu-jitsu required to slap down idiotic arguments. Which is annoying, as the lefties are literally handing out easy counter-arguments these days.
    Occasionally they can get a few good shots in if, much like the Dems, they have some current talking points to tie into.
    But I've never seen one that can actually throw-down debate or argue a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex V View Post
    Marty Daniels did as well. Refuses to call for the abolition of the ATF.

    Think again before buying a DD rifle as well.
    If you put ME on CSPAN, even I wouldn't call for the abolition of the ATF. Don't need anyone to discover I'm making machine guns for the Mexican cartels and kick my doors to see if their "tip" is true.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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    My Lord, we are getting a little trigger-happy on canceling folks these days. While I think the AFT is evil and its legally legitimate role (managing tax stamps, etc) could easily be done by the IRS, I don't really see why this guy's response merits us tossing him under the bus. This isn't a Zumbo/Ruger situation, he is literally being asked a gotcha question and decided to just keep it simple. Hell, they didn't even let him explain before they cut him off.
    Let those who are fond of blaming and finding fault, while they sit safely at home, ask, ‘Why did you not do thus and so?’I wish they were on this voyage; I well believe that another voyage of a different kind awaits them.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1168 View Post
    I find this strange. Not saying I don’t believe it, just that its strange. How many contract $$$ does DD really pull compared to private commercial sales? On the .mil side, I’m only aware of their use in SOF, and even then, not every unit, and mostly only for the meat-eaters. In other words, relatively small numbers. As for LE, I dunno, but probably not all that much, given that the price is similar to KAC, and Mr Bill’s rails have been “the hotness” for some time now, along with the “Geissele all the things” crowd. I can’t name, off the top of my head, any LE agency that issues them. Maybe some of y’all can refresh me.

    I would expect that they make more money off the private sector, but I don’t truly know.

    Edit: I almost forgot. A buddy sent me a screenshot of this: https://www.instagram.com/p/CgqV2hFt...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y= this morning. Apparently Cloud Defensive doesn’t sell to the AFT.
    It is illogical, but not unusual. Mentioned it here before, firearms sales private/.gov post 9/2001 have been around 65%/35% and prior to that date had been about 80%/20% yet firearms biz typically caters to the minority of their business. The most rabidly antigun cop can go shopping for $1000 firearm and frequently will pay $900 for it, effectively being rewarded for efforts to eliminate 65% of the industries business.

    Isn't DD's first rodeo since they supported fix nics in 2018 till the backlash got them to back pedal.

    Can't recall the California agency, but their local news had a big write up on how they got a batch of DD carbines using money they stole via Civil asset forfeiture. That was within a few years of Paul Buffoni canceling a BCM order that Milwaukee PD had due to the pos Milwaukee chief ed flynn lobbying for a ban on the private sale of self loading rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dumb Gun Collector View Post
    While I think the AFT is evil and its legally legitimate role (managing tax stamps, etc) could easily be done by the IRS,
    How about no ATF, no IRS, no income tax .

    We can collect tax revenue in a more fair unbiased way. I support a graduated national sales tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dumb Gun Collector View Post
    My Lord, we are getting a little trigger-happy on canceling folks these days. While I think the AFT is evil and its legally legitimate role (managing tax stamps, etc) could easily be done by the IRS, I don't really see why this guy's response merits us tossing him under the bus. This isn't a Zumbo/Ruger situation, he is literally being asked a gotcha question and decided to just keep it simple. Hell, they didn't even let him explain before they cut him off.
    Yeah, I agree. He didn't say anything really anti-gun, just was put on the spot with a "gotcha" question. In his position as CEO of a firearms manufacturing company I'd probably be reserved in my answer too. Now, just to cover all the bases, it is complete BS that he would have to worry about coming under an ATF microscope for saying he supported them being disbanded. It shouldn't be allowed and should be punished accordingly but we all know how reality is (unfortunately). Freedom of speech and all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    How about no ATF, no IRS, no income tax .

    We can collect tax revenue in a more fair unbiased way. I support a graduated national sales tax.
    Or go back to the original taxation of the United States: tariffs on imports. Big ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coal Dragger View Post
    Or go back to the original taxation of the United States: tariffs on imports. Big ones.
    Problem with that is we are 12 to 24 months away from China going down the toilet and the end of globalization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    Problem with that is we are 12 to 24 months away from China going down the toilet and the end of globalization.
    Interesting call. Don’t doubt your call at all. A true black swan event that is hard to predict, but I don’t think people understand how screwed in numerous ways China is. They used tanks to stop runs on banks, think about that… their handling of COVID is a head scratcher.
    The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.

    It's that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    Problem with that is we are 12 to 24 months away from China going down the toilet and the end of globalization.
    I think the Chinese will prove to be more resilient than you think.

    Either way they are not our friends, and extreme tariffs on their goods are warranted. If that were to help tip them into toilet, even better.

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