HR1808 as it relates to 2A culture and the symbolic power of weapons in society

[SteyrAUG]

Strange as it sounds, and as hard as it is for me to admit, I'm coming around to the fact that those kids on Instagram are doing more for the 2A than the NRA has done in its entire lifetime.

Well then you need to research the NRA prior to the internet. If not for the NRA, there wouldn't be kids on instagram with guns.

[okie]

Well then you need to research the NRA prior to the internet. If not for the NRA, there wouldn't be kids on instagram with guns.

I would have to strongly disagree. At this point, I'm honestly beginning to wonder whose side they're on.

[JediGuy]

I have agreed with Steyr so far.

What we’re running into is that fewer and fewer people, coinciding with an increase in population, have served in the US military.

It used to be a thing a huge percentage of people did, either voluntarily or not. Now, fewer people even know a veteran.

A solution to this is limited-duration, universal mandatory service, which modern conservatives tend to find scary and liberals tend to find scary if it is only military.

Think Starship Troopers combined with Cincinnatus. You can eschew the common good, but if you do, you don’t have a say in its direction. And when you’re done…go home and be quiet.

I think that everyone having a common link/shared history, even if only for 2-4 years, may do more to bind the country together. And then everyone is special but no one is special.

[jsbhike]

I have agreed with Steyr so far.

What we’re running into is that fewer and fewer people, coinciding with an increase in population, have served in the US military.

It used to be a thing a huge percentage of people did, either voluntarily or not. Now, fewer people even know a veteran.

A solution to this is limited-duration, universal mandatory service, which modern conservatives tend to find scary and liberals tend to find scary if it is only military.

Think Starship Troopers combined with Cincinnatus. You can eschew the common good, but if you do, you don’t have a say in its direction. And when you’re done…go home and be quiet.

I think that everyone having a common link/shared history, even if only for 2-4 years, may do more to bind the country together. And then everyone is special but no one is special.

Maybe a combination of original US militia system and Swiss militia ideas?

The folks subject to(or the folks subjecting those folks to) the US drafts of the 20th century certainly didn't bring about any limitations on .gov over reach.

[ryr8828]

Good post OP, the reason I was against HR218 LEOSA back in the day was because I felt it promoted 2 different classes of citizens. Let's face it, there are idiots in every profession.

I made the mistake of asking a deputy at the bar I was at "Do you know if the sheriff signs off on sbr's"? Deputy says "I sure as hell hope not, you don't need an sbr, hell you people don't even need guns". I'll admit I chuckled when he got fired later for a dui and leaving the scene.

Then there was the time I called sheriff's office and dnr about a sick coyote wandering around my yard. DNR guy had a tac vest and a utility belt that would have made Batman envious. Deputy showed up about the same time. DNR guy wanted me to let the coyote alone for the night and see how it was in the morning, I said I'm not doing that. I can't let my dog out with it here and the coyote will just disappear in the bean field overnight. I said "Look if you want to shoot the coyote it's fine with me". DNR apparent SWAT team member says "I don't need your permission to shoot anything", the disappears back to his truck. I look out front and dnr guy is talking to some guy on a bicycle that came by.

Deputy is admiring my steel pistol and rifle targets behind my house and we're talking. I said "This is ridiculous, I'd have already shot it myself but the ground is hard as a rock and I thought dnr might want to study it".
Deputy says "Yeah I've had enough, enjoy standing out here talking with you but I've got to be other places", pulls out his handgun and puts 2 in the coyote. DNR guy runs around the house and deputy tells him "You probably ought to bag this up and get it out of this guy's yard".

[AKjeff]

I appreciate the OP taking the time to write and post that, I did not know congress was proposing a loop hole for veterans and police in this bill.
I'm a veteran, so technically it would have applied to me. It feels like congress is trying to buy me off with this loop hole.

**** that and **** them, we're all citizens, congress works for all of us, though they've forgotten that little fact.

[Diamondback]

Good post OP, the reason I was against HR218 LEOSA back in the day was because I felt it promoted 2 different classes of citizens. Let's face it, there are idiots in every profession.

I'm still salty about how the LE crowd sold us that bill-of-goods with the false promise of "help us be the foot in the door for Nationwide Carry then we'll pull you through behind us" then ever since nothing but crickets.

[ryr8828]

I'm still salty about how the LE crowd sold us that bill-of-goods with the false promise of "help us be the foot in the door for Nationwide Carry then we'll pull you through behind us" then ever since nothing but crickets.

Exactly.

[Diamondback]

Ditto FFDO for armed pilots... instead of being a Trojan Horse for us it was one for them, carving out ever more "special exemptions to general prohibition" rather than "see, more guns doesn't mean more crime."

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

On the whole LEO thing, if we didn’t get Bruen and things went sideways, I could see where some Sheriffs would start deputizing people…. I think some ‘non-LEO’ gun instructors have that kind of deal and are part time deputies in counties they rarely step into…