Teach Me About Pistol Red Dots

[.45fan]

Look at how their own wording is parsed: designed, engineered, machined, and assembled at our facilities in Wixom, Michigan or Auburn, California, and are therefore 100% Made in the USA.

They conveniently left out any verbiage about where the components and raw materials are sourced. The FTC has very specific laws about what qualifies as "made in the USA", with guidance published here: https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidanc...e-usa-standard

I don't doubt that some of the employees fully believed what they say, it's much more likely to be an issue of supply chains just being convoluted and complex. Beyond that, I'd not be shocked if Trijicon made a conscious effort, like Aimpoint, to try to avoid directly sourcing from the PRC, and got most (all?) of their electronics from the ROC. On the flip side, I would be extremely shocked if they were able to source the electronics from within the USA.

Thank you

[Henny]

Holosuns have negated that to a significant extent. So much so that anyone saying we’re not at an acceptable level of RDS features and reliability is actively fighting the concept IMO.



My primary gun has had an RM06 on it for many years. Because it’s tough and America. But that gun has been relatively unusable for a little over a month now because life happens and I haven’t been able to get to a range to re-zero after putting a new battery in. Happens to me a lot. The “shitty” Chinese dots I have not only have better reticles, but they reduce the speed at which the battery dies through solar panels and shake awake and remove the re-zero issue entirely because of the side loading battery tray.

I’ll happily support American made MRDS again, once they become relevant again. But people like you, that buy technology that is over a decade old and therefore tell the manufacturer that they don’t need to innovate or even keep pace with other manufacturers that innovate just because America, are a big part of the problem.


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You might be surprised. I take my RMR off my G19 every time I put it in the ultrasonic. The zero never changed in years.

[Wake27]

You might be surprised. I take my RMR off my G19 every time I put it in the ultrasonic. The zero never changed in years.

What is supposed to surprise me? I’ve logged replacing the battery on my RM06 seven times since 26 DEC 17 (it hasn’t been constantly on that whole time). Every single time, I re-zero’d. It was always extremely close, but almost zero’d and zero’d are not the same thing in my book. Even if it was, this is one part of the argument. The most important part to me, but cost, reticle options, shake awake, and solar power are all part of it as well.


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[Diamondback]

Piggybacking since I'm a pistol-RDS noob here too...

As I start penciling out updates to the custom 1911 I was doodling in college, the slide manufacturer only does cuts and bases for original Trijicon RMR (not RMRcc) and Holosun. Around here soaked-to-the-bone is a pretty normal state of affairs, and I'm not sure how well open-emitter RDS's handle maritime environments. I then found a clear protective cover for the RMR, but it's only available for fullsize,

Options as I see it:
*Fullsize RMR with "jellyfish" digging into my side
*RMR base with .150" adapter plate and enclosed-emitter Aimpoint Acro digging into an even bigger area of my side (and hope the Acro clears the ejection port)
*???

[Defaultmp3]

Piggybacking since I'm a pistol-RDS noob here too...

As I start penciling out updates to the custom 1911 I was doodling in college, the slide manufacturer only does cuts and bases for original Trijicon RMR (not RMRcc) and Holosun. Around here soaked-to-the-bone is a pretty normal state of affairs, and I'm not sure how well open-emitter RDS's handle maritime environments. I then found a clear protective cover for the RMR, but it's only available for fullsize,

Options as I see it:
*Fullsize RMR with "jellyfish" digging into my side
*RMR base with .150" adapter plate and enclosed-emitter Aimpoint Acro digging into an even bigger area of my side (and hope the Acro clears the ejection port)
*???

Are you looking specifically to do a custom 1911, or would you be willing to entertain speccing out a Wilson Combat, since they have their TZO mounting system that allows for ACRO mounting? Alternatively, CHPWS has a universal plate system that they can mill into 1911s (though I've heard mixed reviews about them as a company): https://chpws.com/product/2011-1911-.../#red-dot-type

Wright Armory will also cut 1911s for RDSes, including ACROs it would appear. I've not had the best experiences with them thus far, in terms of CS (poor comms and long turnaround times), but their work at least seems decent.

If you're okay with a Holosun 509T, Chambers Customs does a cut for them.

[Diamondback]

Are you looking specifically to do a custom 1911, or would you be willing to entertain speccing out a Wilson Combat, since they have their TZO mounting system that allows for ACRO mounting? Alternatively, CHPWS has a universal plate system that they can mill into 1911s (though I've heard mixed reviews about them as a company): https://chpws.com/product/2011-1911-.../#red-dot-type

Wright Armory will also cut 1911s for RDSes, including ACROs it would appear. I've not had the best experiences with them thus far, in terms of CS (poor comms and long turnaround times), but their work at least seems decent.

If you're okay with a Holosun 509T, Chambers Customs does a cut for them.

It's a little complicated because it's strictly a DIY project to learn how to build a 1911, and I'm stuck with one vendor at great reluctance because Fusion are the only ones I can find this side of vintage AMT deadstock who make components for 7" Longslides. (I wish somebody else would present an alternate, Fusion's comms suck diarrheic ass.) Re Holosun, my main concern is the open-emitter problem, I'm not sure what system they use. I know Nighthawk has their IOS system, which has a certain appeal because in theory I could apply different-colored witness marks for the different zeroes and just hot-swap the top rear between slides. Another concern is "must co-witness with BUIS."

When even my fellow rabid anti-Chicom Yoni sings the praises of Holosun, I'm ready to concede they might have a point IF they have a system to fit my purposes.

[yoni]

When even my fellow rabid anti-Chicom Yoni sings the praises of Holosun, I'm ready to concede they might have a point IF they have a system to fit my purposes.

I am not rabid, but I want the Chicoms destroyed for what they have done. I almost dies of dehydration due to having Covid, with no Covid symptoms. I had a fever and couldn't keep anything down in my stomach including water. My company did almost zero business for 2 years due to travel restrictions and the general state of the world.

But I came to understand I own so much stuff with parts in it from the g-dless Chicom bastaards, that after shooting with a friend Holosun, I bought a 509T. The only pistol red dot I like better is the Leupold Delta Micro.

Also I know know that due to the war in Ukraine, the Chicoms own stupidity, they will be gone as a world power in less than 10 years. When they are gone I will go to China for the first and only time to piss on the great wall. Eff them, they are going to die from starvation and lack of energy really soon. Bar B Que at Yoni's when they are gone.

[okie]

Here's a photo of the installation done by DP Custom Works. Note that I opted not to have the milled portion refinished, so judge it accordingly.

This is direct mount without a plate, which gets you absolute cowitness with suppressor height sights, which is handy for several reasons. One, if you're already used to shooting with suppressor height sights, you won't have to adjust your presentation to account for the dot being higher. Also helps with zeroing.

Going back to what people are saying about the MOS, it is a dirtier installation for sure. Going with the custom milling definitely maintains a very clean, low profile installation.

[georgeib]

Here's a photo of the installation done by DP Custom Works. Note that I opted not to have the milled portion refinished, so judge it accordingly.

This is direct mount without a plate, which gets you absolute cowitness with suppressor height sights, which is handy for several reasons. One, if you're already used to shooting with suppressor height sights, you won't have to adjust your presentation to account for the dot being higher. Also helps with zeroing.

Going back to what people are saying about the MOS, it is a dirtier installation for sure. Going with the custom milling definitely maintains a very clean, low profile installation.

Genuinely trying to be helpful here, okie. But I seem to remember a thread from a few months ago where you might have said something about having difficulty with pistol RDS and, IIRC, you were given a bunch of crap about it. I may be misremembering here, so please bear with me. If so, I think you may be giving up a lot more than you think by going with an absolute co-witness, versus something like a lower 1/4th. The purpose of a red dot sight, ANY red dot sight, is to give you the ability to target focus while superimposing the dot on your POA.

Irons work differently, as I know you're well aware, no doubt. So by co-witnessing them in such a small window, you're giving up a significant part of the advantage of a red dot. Because you've essentially converted your RMR into a daylight bright night sight that just brings you back to front sight focus. FWIW.

[okie]

Genuinely trying to be helpful here, okie. But I seem to remember a thread from a few months ago where you might have said something about having difficulty with pistol RDS and, IIRC, you were given a bunch of crap about it. I may be misremembering here, so please bear with me. If so, I think you may be giving up a lot more than you think by going with an absolute co-witness, versus something like a lower 1/4th. The purpose of a red dot sight, ANY red dot sight, is to give you the ability to target focus while superimposing the dot on your POA.

Irons work differently, as I know you're well aware, no doubt. So by co-witnessing them in such a small window, you're giving up a significant part of the advantage of a red dot. Because you've essentially converted your RMR into a daylight bright night sight that just brings you back to front sight focus. FWIW.

That thread was actually about rifle RDS (before I even got the RMR), and I've been continually misquoted and taken out of context. Me and my red dots are getting along just fine, and have been for 15 years now.

What they found so detestable is that for about the last three years I've slowly come to decide that RDS are not viable as standalone systems. I now consider them to be a compliment to irons, but never a replacement for them. I will no longer use a dot unless in conjunction with irons or an etched reticle.