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    Magpul PMAG and Speed Loader = Failure

    I recently learned a harsh lesson with the PMAG and the use of a speed loader. I used the BETA Company black plastic speed loader with my Magpull PMAGS and it was not a great outcome. I was in a tactical weapons course which required us to load our own magazines in a hasty manner. When I used the speed loader for the first iteration of the course, I had consistent double feeds and complete failure to feed issues from the magazines.

    I wanted to confirm that the speed loader was the problem, so I used the speed loader in every other iteration and I hand loaded my magazines when the speed loader was not used. The outcome was consistent and in every iteration that the speed loader was used; I had double feeds and complete magazine failures. I tested this issue for two days consecutively and I will never again use the speed loader with my PMAGS. I think that all troopers should be tracking this issue and that this method of loading PMAGS is an absolute "no go".

    I purchased the PMAGS because I had too many jams and problems with the standard propriety magazines during my last deployment.

    The PMAGS work very well when they are hand loaded and this is the first time I have ever had issues with the Magpul magazines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Salad0892 View Post
    How're you dudes getting G19s over there?
    The guys from AWG had G19s as issue as well as some SF types, my last SL carried one in Iraq when he was with 3/75. He said they were just passed on to the unit rotating in, like TPE (theater provided equipment).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaltesherz View Post
    The guys from AWG had G19s as issue as well as some SF types, my last SL carried one in Iraq when he was with 3/75. He said they were just passed on to the unit rotating in, like TPE (theater provided equipment).
    We once got a shipping container that was supposed to contain 5,000 G19's for delivery to the Iraqi police. After doing inventory we found it was missing 3. That's probably where the unit hand-me-downs all come from. Accountability for delivered weapons was poor at best.

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    We had a lot of Glock 19s in Group. They were TPE to augment the M9s and 1911s. Every Soldier at the SOTF needed a pistol and the Glocks helped out a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devils in Baggy Pants View Post
    I recently learned a harsh lesson with the PMAG and the use of a speed loader. I used the BETA Company black plastic speed loader with my Magpull PMAGS and it was not a great outcome. I was in a tactical weapons course which required us to load our own magazines in a hasty manner. When I used the speed loader for the first iteration of the course, I had consistent double feeds and complete failure to feed issues from the magazines.

    I wanted to confirm that the speed loader was the problem, so I used the speed loader in every other iteration and I hand loaded my magazines when the speed loader was not used. The outcome was consistent and in every iteration that the speed loader was used; I had double feeds and complete magazine failures. I tested this issue for two days consecutively and I will never again use the speed loader with my PMAGS. I think that all troopers should be tracking this issue and that this method of loading PMAGS is an absolute "no go".

    I purchased the PMAGS because I had too many jams and problems with the standard propriety magazines during my last deployment.

    The PMAGS work very well when they are hand loaded and this is the first time I have ever had issues with the Magpul magazines.
    Have you tried using a Mag-Lula to load the magazines?
    Last edited by LOBO; 09-08-12 at 11:53.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devils in Baggy Pants View Post
    The PMAGS work very well when they are hand loaded and this is the first time I have ever had issues with the Magpul magazines.
    Last week I had my first ever failure with a PMAG. I was using a 20rd PMAG on a Ft Hood range where your magazines are loaded by the civilians who run the range . I believe they were loading from 10-round clips using speed loaders, and managed to get a round with the tip going down the wrong channel at the front of the magazine. This would have never happened if loaded by hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCleanOK View Post
    Last week I had my first ever failure with a PMAG. I was using a 20rd PMAG on a Ft Hood range where your magazines are loaded by the civilians who run the range . I believe they were loading from 10-round clips using speed loaders, and managed to get a round with the tip going down the wrong channel at the front of the magazine. This would have never happened if loaded by hand.
    Are you referring to uplula type speed loading devices or stripper clip/spoon loading or both?

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    They were using the GI spoon/stripper clip smash against a table method.

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    Just want to extend my gratitude for the guys who have been willing to write and pass along their insights in this thread.

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    Necropost time:

    Why is this thread no longer a sticky? And does anybody care to add anything to it? I'm sure we have some members who have deployed, and returned in the last year, and a half.
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